Time for Farage to "take a break"?

logiciel

Was that a non-sequitur, or did Premiership not mean football?!

Sve

How can you have seen some of the literature are you psychic? Cameron does not get to decide at all, there are many tory backbenchers and cabinet ministers who will decide, the when's, why's and what for's otherwise he know's he will get ousted just like thatcher.

Who the hell are you to say it is wasted on having a vote to stay in or out?

What benefits, 300,000 extra immigrants a year, untold damage to housing, schools, hospitals, gp's and wages, if those are benefits I would hate to see non benefits.

IronGiant

Rasczak is so confident in his ability to predict the result he has been stating it as a fait accompli for months.  Which backfires a bit as people can't help but pick holes in the absurdity of it.

Rasczak

No, only since May 7th and an absolutely majority for David Cameron. Still, we'll see

Rasczak

The EU will be a divisive issue for Cameron for sure - but Labour and the Lib Dems are likely to support it under certain conditions. I was referring to the party literature that presumably gets pumped out to every financial contributor.

Personally I think there are other priorities. But we are were we are and so we might as well make the most of it by settling this issue as far as practical. And, unlike the Scottish comparison, I think the trend for the EU support is greater in the youth. On which subject, I wonder if the Tories will include 16/17 years old in the referendum as in Scotland? It was fantastic there and really engaged everyone?

Sve

Changing your tune now about seeing the literature? Your now admitting to been a financial contributor to the tories?

I and a lot of others do not, as I have already said and you completely swerved away from it, over 300,000 extra immigrants is a benefit, when it is causing havoc with housing, schools, hospitals, gp's and driving wages lower.

It was wrong of the 16/17 year olds to have a vote in Scotland and it will be wrong if it happens here. They have neither the experience nor benefit of living in the real world.

Cameron may or may not have a majority come the vote.

Rasczak

Changing my tune? I said party literature in the first instance!

I 'swerved  away from it' because your fears are none of my business. I think the large scale immigration - which is hugely beneficial to hundreds of industries and services across the UK - is no bad thing. Figures like 300,000 new immigrants every year sounds very frightening - and many (not you Sve) are ready to make them the bogeymen for increasing house prices - but really we gain from it.

Although they are the ones who will be living with the consequences - good or bad - whatever the outcome. I suspect most of us debating here have made our money and the net effect - even if the UK economy goes down the toilet - will be fine. It will be the youngsters who will be impacted. Why shouldn't they get a vote?

Sve

You said you had seen literature about the in/out vote not party literature.

My fears? What for my children and grandchildren, nieces and newphews, house prices rising, schools full of children who cannot string two words of English together because their parents refuse to integrate, hospitals cannot even cope now never mind with another 300k net year on year, waiting 2 or more weeks to see a gp, wages been driven down and everybody but the rich suffering, get a grip.

Why should they, they have no life experience have not contributed anything to the system, I do not want them to determine my or anyone else's future.

We all know you benefit from having the tories in power and been in Europe, what's up frightened your gravy train is going to stop?

Trollslayer

Guys, maybe this is getting a bit fraught.
How about stepping back for 24 hours and taking a breath?

Toko Black

That's immigration, not EU membership.

On the EU, only 40% rated it as very important, behind 8 more important issues to the electorate.

Immigration is an issue for people as is the EU.
What is in dispute is how much of an issue and how much it dictates government and party politics relative to it's actual importance to the electorate.

All issues were discussed to some extent or other, but with UKIP's influence and worries for divisions in the Tory party, the EU issue became over inflated and over represented as an issue in contrast to what really matters to the electorate.
That of course suited EU skeptics and UKIPers such as yourself, but like the politics forum, it is over represented with EU skeptics banging the drum than as representative of the nation as a whole.