Corbyn the republican

Bl4ckGryph0n

Yes you are. I think you are being very rude if you refer to me simply by my first name if I haven't invited you to call me anything other than that.

It is an alien concept to me. Not how I've been brought up. Also I wouldn't get far at work if I interacted with my customers on an informal basis like that.

Blitzkrieg

Yeah sure at work where its required I wouldn't mind it. If I met you on the street or on holiday or something and you expected me to call mr dejong. I'd probably wet myself laughing.

jacckdaw

Jeremy corbyn was elected was he not. Someone remind me when was the last time a monarch was elected? Never mind,apparently google says its never happened. It seems the correct way to become monarch is to raise an army,get as many noblemen as you can to fund your campaign and slug it out on some field called bosworth hill. Im recruiting, what say you,will thee join me in my rightful claim to the throne,as god intended( im king richard the 3rds footman's carpenter blacksmiths chamber maids illegitimate grandson 23rd generation removed)Which gives me a claim to the throne. My bloodline is French and we hate those bloody Germans and our mother tongue is so much more sexy..Meet at the kings arms 3pm on Saturday week,to march for glory. Ridiculous???...isn't it just.

Blitzkrieg

Always made me chuckle that the so called old nobility were anything but.

Bl4ckGryph0n

If you don't know me well enough to be informal with me. Why would you feel it is ok to take the familiar form? Most peculiar.

Blitzkrieg

Now I think you're on a wind up

Bl4ckGryph0n

Nope, most definitely not. Unless you are older than me, like the people I met yesterday who addressed me a young man, I do think it is inappropriate.

I do think that partially it is also to do with a cultural difference (and perhaps in the UK regional as well). In Netherlands/Belgium/France/Germany the concept of tutoyer is baked into the language and for most the upbringing. Besides the use of Mr / Mrs there are different forms for you depending on the terms of familiarity you are with the other individual. Speaking to my English wife, my inlaws etc that concept most definitely exists in the UK, but in their opinion it seems to have disappeared sadly for large parts of society who approach people initially on over familiar terms. It was also a great annoyance, or perhaps better phrased surprise in lack of knowing how to behave, by my late father in law.

Perhaps a sign of the time how society is changing, and in my opinion not necessarily for the better.

springtide

I think society is changing.

There was a time that your children called you sir and generally wouldnt eat at the same table as the adults.

Father's also had virtually no role in bringing up children.

Now you can argue rightly or wrongly about this, but change had happened

People and cultures are also very different, and we are now living in very multiculturaled and mixed cultured environments. How you address German people especially in Business is very different to English, with Germans being far more formal.

In the UK the have been huge changes in business, from the wearing of formal to informal clothing in a lot of offices, open office policies and in some cases the removal of officers for managers.

Not sure where these changes originated, but suspect the USA.. I always remember in the early days visits from senior USA management when I was younger, and they would be dressed in a check shirt, chinos and sneakers, and we would all be in suits, ties and black polished shoes.
Again, in terms of addressing them, they would introduce themselves with their informal name, in some cases the letters of their first and surnames, such as CJ (one senior guy was BJ)

Talking about other countries, should a women's rights leader in places like Saudi be expected to wear headscarfs when greetings their countries leaders?

mij

"Vote" an important word

I was taught that respect is earned and that authority is a big boot used to keep you in place.

I do not doubt that this attitude does not appeal to those already in a position of undeserved authority and must terrify others that have abused it.  The child abuse scandal that is currently being thrown into the long grass is just one example that according to many of the abused includes "that old git next door, policemen, doctors, teachers," and not forgetting the clergy.

I do realise that my attitude is inconvenient and disrupting at the very least though.

Bl4ckGryph0n

it is a little gesture that wouldn't hurt anyone and avoids offending anyone. It would aid conversation. Just like my wife wouldn't mind covering her shoulders going into a church in Italy...If we all just help a little bit instead of expecting everyone else to give up then the world would be such a better place. And it doesn't cost anything but for a little awereness.

Would you just barge in wearing your shoes into a Mosque? Or my home?