Public sector pay cap scrapped. Elections time?

Pecker

"Part of this effect...".

Part.

You're absolutely right that you'll get different data depending on where you place the start and end points.  But teachers' pay was last 'substantial' in 2009 at 2.3% (though CPI was 2.8%), and 0% in 2010(CPI 3.7%), which only makes matters worse.

Whenever we have these discussions, there'll always be someone who pops up telling us how they work for a small firm and haven't had a rise in years, but ultimately there'll always be a few who do better or worse than others, possibly due to a firm's performance, of changes in demand in a particular sector.

The bottom line is WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TEACHERS.  And giving most a 2% rise when inflation and average salary increases are higher isn't going to help, whichever way you look at it.

Even for NQTs, what will they see?  3.5% this year, but if nurses are anything to by, 1.5% a year for the next 2 years, meaning in 3 years time they'll be slightly behind inflation, whilst most other sectors are expected to see faster wage growth.

If I were a graduate now, I'm not sure I'd be considering teaching.  If my kids were at an age where they were starting to look at their future careers, I'd certainly be putting them off going into teaching.

For the first 20 years or so of my career I'd have said the opposite.

Pecker

And before anyone mentions holidays...

Teachers' summer holiday workload 'increases by third' | Tes News

I'm dipping in and out here whilst preparing for September's lessons.

dms

I'm really sorry to hear that and it really gets up my goat.  Where I work it's always the oldies who people want because in my industry people know that you don't get 60 years experience in a 21 year old and that the experience is the most useful possession these people have.  It seriously gets up my goat when people (schools etc) want to toss away experienced people who really do the job well because they think they can get the same package for half the price from someone fresh out of training.

If it's what you want I hope you get a good package and somewhere else picks you up!

Too late I already did ;-) though not in a negative way of "think of their holidays" which is probably what you mean.

Pacifico

So there isn't a recruitment problem then. If you couldnt recruit from overseas you would have a problem but until then..

By the way are you not one of the posters in favour of EU membership and Freedom of Movement?

weaviemx5

"A leading expert in nursing workforce policy said the increasing recruitment from overseas was merely a “band aid” to the major problem of understaffing."

Recruiting staff from overseas isn't a fix for the chronic shortage of nurses.

I'm not sure why you edited your post about me being Pro-EU?  I'm for freedom of movement and the people it brings but, as an example, a few weeks after the Leave vote two Spanish nurses on my wife's ward (married couple) made the decision to move back to Spain with their children due to the uncertainty over their future situation.

Aren't you one of the posters in favour of leaving the EU and "taking back control of our borders"? Will you then agree that there is a shortage and, more to the point, those that are employed are taken advantage of now?

Pacifico

Why not? - you can either recruit all you need or you cannot, where they come from is immaterial.

I dont have a problem with recruitment from overseas, just open borders.

domtheone

I'm in favor of somehow, convincing our local home grown population to think more about Nursing/Doctors/teaching etc etc.

I don't know the answer.  It's not just about money.  Maybe White English peeps just don't care enough about others to want to do it for a job

Given the population pressures that we face (and crisis that we're heading towards), we need to become much less reliant on overseas workers (in certain sectors) as we cannot keep growing at circa 300K per year.

weaviemx5

Really taking back control there then eh.  I thought it was all about looking after British workers, not just dipping in to any other country instead?

weaviemx5

So she was already at the top of her band and hasn't wanted to take the next step that would allow her to be paid more.

And that's our fault because....?

Sounds like she chose to stay in a role without any available increment rises because it suited her.

rustybin

And the rest of the NHS (except your wife of course) are also choosing to have frozen pay for the last 9 years too?