Public sector pay cap scrapped. Elections time?

domtheone

Exactly.  Biggest pay rise.  That suggests there have been others..

domtheone

See the post above.  Over the last several years I remember lots of stuff about poor pay rises (circa 1%).  Not year after year of freeze.

Just going on what I read/hear.

Pecker

For clarity, teachers' pay rises:

2011 - 0%
2012 - 0%
2013 - 1%
2014 - 1%
2015 - 1%
2016 - 1% (though this was left to individual schools, some got 0%)
2017 - 1%
2018...

3.5% BUT ONLY for those on MPS (Main Pay Scale) 1-6.  UPS (Upper Pay Scale) 1-3 get 2%.  Leadership scale 1.5%.

I appreciate not everyone will be aware of what this means, so here goes.

When you start teaching you're on the Main Pay Scale, starting on MPS1.  The following year, all being well, you go up to MPS2, and so on, until you're on MPS6 after 5 years.

Two years after that you can apply to go on to the Upper Pay Scale starting at UPS1, on to UPS2 after 2 more years, then UPS3 2 years after that.

If you become a member of the leadership team (Heads, Deputy Heads and Assistant Heads) you're paid on a different Leadership Scale.

So the 3.5% is really only for teachers who've been working for less than 7 years.  Unless they've failed to progress up the scale, which will be if they're not up to scratch, or (more likely) the school has no money.

Everyone else gets 2% or less.  That's about 60% of teachers.  All else being equal, you're off MPS after 7 year.

For the record, the gap between MPS6 and UPS1 is now just £900 a year.  The gap between UPS3 and Leadership 1 is just £360.

I real terms, £900 a year is a tenner a week after deductions.  £360 is around £4 a week.

Anyone fancy becoming an assistant head for £4 extra a week?

Back to those rises.  Given that most teachers are on UPS1 or above, the total pay rise from 2011 to now has been 7% over 8 years, or 0.875% a year.

Average pay rises across the country have been up and down, but have generally kept pace with inflation over the whole period.

Again, for the record, CPI has been:

2011 - 4.2%
2012 - 2.7%
2013 - 2%
2014 - 0.5%
2015 - -0.4%
2016 - 1.8%
2017 - 2.7%

That's 13.5%, or 12.65% more than teachers' pay.

Teachers have had an effective pay cut of almost 13% since 2011 compared to the national average rise.

Only it's worse.

Pension contributions have risen by between 3%-5% (depending on how much you earn), and a 1% National Insurance exemption rule has been altered.  Altogether this means an effective 'tax' rise of up to 6%.

Think about that.  We're talking about a real terms salary drop, compared to the national average, of approaching 20% since 2011.

And you know what?  I'm not convinced it looks good for the future.

The Bank of England are forecasting inflation to be 2.1-2.4% over the next few years.  If the government have only offered 2% this year in their big 'aren't we generous' fanfare, does anyone think it'll be the same next year, or the year after?  The NHS have been given 6.5% over 3 years, with 3.5% in Year 1, meaning just 1.5% a year for the next 2 years.

Anyone expect teachers to get a better deal than nurses?

1.5% for the next 2 years will probably see teachers fall between 1% and 2% further behind.

weaviemx5

So they’re just moaning then?

I’m not saying nurses should be treated better/worse than other public sector workers.  They all deserve equal.

Pecker

Speaking as someone on the ground, it's a bloodbath.

You wouldn't believe the number of staff who are leaving.  We've just lost 10 teaching staff from a school of around 60.  Half are not going into a job in mainstream secondary education.

Last year we lost 3, none of whom left to go into a job in mainstream secondary education.

And that's what we should be worried about.  Forget about the teachers.  It's the kids, and ultimately the country that will suffer.

The NHS and education are not there for nurses and teachers, but for children and patients.  And ultimately more even than that, we know that a healthy and well-educated society will be better, more efficient and more productive for all of us.

Fewer well-qualified nurses and teachers isn't just bad for nurses and teachers, it's bad for the economy, and for every person in our society.

weaviemx5

The real pay of NHS staff has fallen by almost £2,000 over seven years

Pay cap on NHS staff to be lifted, Jeremy Hunt tells Commons

Treasury confirms two year NHS pay freeze

Why the government’s pay rise for NHS workers is barely a pay rise at all

Also bare in mind that these increases are expected to come out of individual trust budgets and not from the Treasury.  Assuming a Trust increases the pay of their staff, what then gets cut to pay for it?

weaviemx5

Maybe it’s an effort to dumb down the future electorate?  Look how that goes when it comes to major decisions.

The Dude

lol.. round and round and round it goes...…

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Sonic67

2% is bigger than 1%. As inflation was higher it amounts to a pay cut.

In fact, unless this is larger than inflation over the last nine years it isn't a pay rise is it?

domtheone

That's just a "real terms" pay cut.

It's not a real pay cut as in less pay at the end of each month.

1% is still a rise in cash terms.