Public sector pay cap scrapped. Elections time?

Bl4ckGryph0n

Not sure anyone has said that.

But if someone is not prepared to progress in their job, they should not be surprised if their pay stagnates.

The Dude

So scrap cost of living pay rises for all then and freeze pay increases accross the board for all ?

The only way to earn more is to progress , but even that progression pay grade would need to remain stagnant , would it not ? .

Also with this logic should we all not still be on tuppence a day for our days work ?

weaviemx5

Are you reading different posts than mine?

weaviemx5

Nope don't believe so as I thought your position clear on this as your wife has chosen to progress to a higher band and that pay grade , others that remain in their band should expect their pay to stagnate .

A question .

If everyone Is forced to progress to earn more and the lowest pay remains stagnant then recruitment becomes an issue does it not ?

domtheone

A question if we ever more pay people more then we ever more raising the costs of living more to pay people more, so we have to pay them more as the costs are more, etc Where will it end? Do you think it is sustainable?

The Dude

The only way to beat inflation is wage inflation.

No, that can't be right...hang on a minute.....I've got this...gimme just a second...


I have to say I was pretty shocked about those NHS pay increments that Nigel? mentioned earlier... an automatic increment for a 'satisfactory' performance?
It could just be a terminology thing obviously but in my working life a 'satisfactory' performance means you (probably) get to keep your job until they find somebody better?

weaviemx5

Recruitment (and retention) is an issue. That's about more than just pay though.

My wife is pretty happy with the support she has had in getting her degree and getting onto her next course. That sort of support counts for a lot to her.

I don't think you've been reading my posts properly. Stating that people shouldn't be surprised if their pay stagnates if they stop progressing is not the same as supporting that cost of living rises should cease.

With the increment system as well as the opportunities for progression I'd be surprised if anyone was actually on the same salary for 9 years and would have to assume it's because they chose not to pursue other opportunities that would let them increase their salary.

weaviemx5

And what you’re not reading is that “progression” doesn’t just mean changing jobs.  Every year people are given targets and are judged against them at the end of the year.  Every three years all nurses have to show this progression in order to retain their Pin and be allowed to work.  This is also “progression” and should be recognised.  If the only way anyone is recognised is by the number of jobs they’ve had, it would be a very small percentage of the overall workforce.

The Dude

So to be clear then, it's the NHS trust that your wife works for that has been responsible for her lack of payrises, have I got that right?

IronGiant

You do know my wife is a nurse too? I know all about the getting your pin and needing to show you've done enough training days and the like to keep your registration.

You seem to not keep getting this. If someone is on the highest pay available for their job, it's nobody's fault but their own if their pay can no longer progress and they choose to stay in that job.