Beginning of the end of the Tory Party?

Faust

I said a softer brexit - not talking about specifics.

Goooner

So that pretty much covers any outcome at all then.

IronGiant

Softer than what?  Andrex puppies?

Sonic67

That sound you can hear is of goalposts being moved.

Sonic67

Brexit: What are the options? - BBC News

There is no strict definition of either, but they are used to refer to the closeness of the UK's relationship with the EU, post-Brexit.

So at one extreme, "hard" (or "clean") Brexit could involve the UK refusing to compromise on issues like the free movement of people, leaving the EU single market and trading with the EU as if it were any other country outside Europe, based on World Trade Organization rules.

This would mean - at least in the short term before a trade deal was done - the UK and EU would probably apply tariffs and other trade restrictions on each other.

At the other end of the scale, a "soft" Brexit might involve some form of membership of the European Union single market, in return for a degree of free movement.

Faust

Well we will have to wait and see.  We know what they did want, now we will see what we get.  Mind you we may all be back to the polls by the end of September.  Talk about Groundhog Day.

Faust

Yep, I think we could be looking at the latter.  Let's see how this plays out over the next few months.  It's already being reported the Tory remainers are no longer going to sit on their hands in the Commons.

Sonic67

So a bet then?

rancidpunk

Put your money where your mouth is Faust. Can't ask fairer than a charitable donation, you could even up the stakes seeing as Mr Blair has left you sitting so pretty.

tapzilla2k

We'll see if things have gone back to being a two party system at the next election.
As for the Conservatives ? They could have a meltdown over Europe, it's been on the cards since at least the Major years. What you have to remember about the Tory Party's long history, is that they have periodical implosions and splits, before they return revitalised. We might be in one of those times or we might not be. Too early tell either way now.

All you can say even if they change Leader and they don't change policies they may still come unstuck at an election. They likely can't ignore the youth vote now, how they connect and appeal to young voters is probably one of the most difficult problems the Tories face in terms of electability.

The Political landscape is sand. Who knows where it's going to settle.