Brexit in a nutshell

SteakAndCake

trevor432990

MPs most definitely are trying to stuff Brexit at least the Lib Dems & Labour (despite their feeble attempts to say otherwise) are determined to revoke Article 50.  I never mentioned racism in my post nor should we tolerate it and it was a sad day when someone suggested that people who voted leave were all racist and to use your own measure that would be impolite.

Sonic67

Not correct.

He wrote two articles. Both as a leaver. The first article was as a leaver and backing leave.

The second article was as a reluctant leaver but accepting what Cameron had returned with.

You can read the second article here:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The full text: Boris Johnson's secret article backing Britain in the EU                                                                                                        Boris Johnson's previously unseen article backing Britain to remain in the EU has emerged.  The now-Foreign Secretary wrote the column just two days before firing up the Brexit debate by backing the Leave campaign.  He announced his decision to back Brexit in a newspaper column - but also...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                www.standard.co.uk                                                                               
How? The bus says how much we give the EU and to spend that elsewhere. Until we've left and stopped funding the EU that money can't go elsewhere.

We haven't left or stopped funding the EU yet.
Not helped by Remain MPs. Trade is at 44 at the moment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                UK Agrees Post-Brexit Trade Deals With Six More Countries -                                                                                                        This week the UK reached agreements with South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia, Eswatini and Mozambique for trade continuity after Brexit, ensuring deals will be signed worth £10 billion to the UK economy. These new countries mean that Liz Truss’ Department for International Trade has reached...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                order-order.com

Sonic67

Note which is first:

You and Your MP House of Commons Information Office

This leaflet explains the role of your Member of Parliament (MP), how they may be able to help you and how you can contact him or her.

The Role of an MP

MPs have responsibilities to three main groups: their constituents, Parliament and their political party.

If your constituents voted to leave and you represent them, then you are their to represent them.

Not you. You don't know their lives.

Fine if you think different, then find what you think is the least damaging way of leaving, but the vote was from them not you.

CommonSense

Trevor 432990 -I visited this `nutshell' post hoping to find a plain view of the current state of Brexit but I'm afraid that you must be familiar with bigger nuts than I am! (not that I'm a nut!). However accurate your list is, it's not Brexit in a nutshell. How about this:

British people were hit 3 years ago with a decision to Leave the EU which gave them a wake up call from which they are not only still staggering but their Parliamentary democracy has gone into meltdown. No progress has been made on leaving the EU because the Parliamentary `brain' has been unable to come to its senses. A few of the `brain cells' recognise that Britain must leave the EU and have come up with a way (the Withdrawal Agreement). Some of the 'brain cells' are under the impression that they can deny the Leave order received. Others are less dysfunctional and only believe that the Withdrawal Agreement won't work but they haven't come up with an alternative because there isn't one. Unfortunately all these damaged cells are rebelling against the central brain controller (PM/Government) which is thus unable to fulfil its directive to Leave the EU. Unless it rights itself soon it will collapse completely.

Derek S-H

No one has mentioned WHY we had a referendum in the first place?

My understanding is that the Tories were alarmed at the growth of populism under UKIP as they felt it might cost them votes, so "Dave" concocted a referendum that would thwart their ambitions and reinforce his own Party's political position.

Unfortunately, the referendum options were so simplistic and the various campaigns so selective in their detail (if not probably disingenuous) that we were presented with a binary choice for something so complicated and with such far reaching consequences.

In addition, it's probably worth mentioning the Westminster "bubble" i.e. members of the Palace are somewhat inured to what effect their words, actions and policies have on the general public (Bozo being a classic example). I also think that the Tories did not anticipate the Leave vote winning and had no plan for that outcome.

And probably OT, but, in my opinion, we have only been a United Kingdom in name for years - the Scots and Welsh have their own Assemblies and the Northern Irish are still battling to form their own identity (are they Irish? Are they English? Are they neither?).

It is Parliamentary "democracy" - its practices and protocols - that has been most exposed by this shambles and it doesn't look good no matter what side of the fence you sit.

trevor432990

Thanks for your feedback Derek and I agree with your suggestion to explain why the EU referendum was called so I've added a summary bullet point at the beginning of my list.  I also agree with your other comments which I intend to use as input to a new thread which will describe the lessons learned from this whole Brexit fiasco which I shall start in the next day or so.  Cheers

Ruperts slippers

Sorry but your whole post consisted of varying forms of ethos pathos subjectification.

Non of which was or is relevant to the actual position the situation is right now.

An MP was shot, do we stop the process, Farage's wife being German, what on earth are you talking about. A great many people, who, who are these people.
It's just moaning, eloquent, well written moaning, but moaning nonetheless.

Again I repeat.

Leave

Yes
No

The yes's have the vote, the government promised to leave, haven't done so, wasting money which isn't there's, even the justice system is now attempting to subvert the vote.


We haven't left, the topic is interesting, however I get the feeling from the conversations I've had that the politician's have misread public feeling on this. The result was leave, we should leave. Not leaving damages democratic process. Economically the politicians are also damaging businesses by continuing to delay any changes necessary.

Lastly people have an innate sense of fairness, people trust the voting process, the sense in which as a whole we have a voice, this process is now broken. Politicians have long since forgotten the implications of there positions and gone back on their word.

Law and order is under threat in this country, I believe if they do not carry out the vote, there will be a breakdown in law and order, they've lost the respect of the citizens by fooling around with the democratic process whilst using the justice system to subvert the vote.

GadgetObsessed

The list is fine to give to foreign friends to explain Brexit - as long as you make it clear that is biased toward a leave point of view and not simply a factual unbiased account of events. (Although that should be clear from the list itself.)

psikey

Can you highlight which points are not factual as seems true to reality. (accepting IG's point).