Refugees Welcome?

Ruperts slippers

Why not ignore the fluster and bluster and join in the thread, cannot believe two adults have wasted all that time arguing over such trivial matters.

rancidpunk

I did, that's what started it all off!

Jezza99

Fair point. Generating debate was my intention of starting the thread, not having silly arguments.

mij

Well I would question how we got here and who profits from it.  Blair was warned by many including the intelligence services what would happen by attacking Iraq, it was ignored and even hidden from the British public. Nothing new in that.

We have British companies making Billions from selling arms to these trouble spots and are told it brings in much needed income and jobs to our country, well there is a consequence for that and it costs us all in the form of having to finance the police, fire brigade, nurses etc to pick up the pieces..only we have been busy cutting their numbers along with their salaries.

Something else I heard recently was that we are all still at a much less risk of being killed today by terrorism than we were by the IRA at it's peak, so maybe it is not a problem getting rid of our police, firemen and nurses.  One thing is always true though, wherever there is a war/conflict you can bet that our war machine/business is there and profiting from it and that ordinary defenceless people are paying the ultimate price for it.

I always think that too many of us are looking at and getting angry at the wrong people in these type of debates.

Jezza99

I don't think blaming foreign policy or the arms industry for the acts of individual terrorists is a constructive take on it.

rancidpunk

It's pretty much how ISIS came to prominence, filled the vacuum Blair and Bush walked away from.
Unfortunately we're still paying the price for their actions years later.

Jezza99

Using western foreign policy to justify their murderous attacks is exactly what ISIS and the terrorists do.

Ruperts slippers

Western civilisation has been warring with the middle east for millennia, unfortunately a valuable resource namely oil is situated in that region, we pay for it, we spend vast amounts on infrastructure to access the oil and we spend vast amounts on protecting it. Everyone benefits, it is not just about profit. Our whole civilisation is built on oil.
What is the answer.

rancidpunk

If that's in response to me, then nothing justifies their attacks at all. Although we'll never know now how things would have panned out if we hadn't invaded Iraq, it's the aftermath of that war that enabled ISIS to come to prominence though. In the years since Obama finally left them to it the attacks have just increased in frequency and intensity against an increasing number of countries.

The evil ideology has spread like a cancer across the world and there doesn't seem to be much of anything in place to put an end to it. They should have been hunted to extinction long before they were allowed to regain such power, but they weren't and this is what we're left with. Never knowing who, where and when the next attack might occur, relying on our overburdened intelligence service to do the impossible in stopping every potential jihadist from carrying out their next mass murder.

Cliff

Radical Islam was responsible for blowing up the Twin Towers- before Iraq/ Syria and Libya.... so we can't lay the blame at Blair's feet for that.

What you also have to consider is the amount of money that is financing this ideology around the world. Mosques are built with Middle East money, Imams, many radical, are supplied from the Arab nations and Islamic schools are funded in the same way. I am sure money is also talking when it comes to our media and press reports.
Blame oil if you want, but until we stop buying it there will always be money to continue this support.