Young people not so proud of being English

rancidpunk

As IG pointed out, it's unusual because most people aren't stupid enough to repeat a contempt of court offence while having a suspended sentence for the same thing hanging over them.
What else is unusual? Contempt of court cases are often dealt with immediately, further offences are often uncovered after being arrested and barristers often advise clients to plead guilty to avoid a trial and receive a more lenient sentence.
It's not giving any ammunition to the far right's 'cause', they're just grasping at straws when Lennon himself has admitted his guilt. There is no conspiracy, just a dim racist serving time in prison.

Sonic67

Same with Tommy Robinson.

weaviemx5

I’ve already apologised for the slight detour but Robinson is the perfect example of people abusing their “Englishness” (which is odd when he’s Irish), which results in decent people wanting to distance themselves from their actions, hence, being less outwardly ‘proud’ of their nationality.

I’m still not sure where Labour, antisemitism or Nazi’s fit in with the op though.

justincase

Whether he is racist or not I don't know and don't care personally...seems like lots of people consider a view opposing their own as just cause for incarcerating someone ( Nelson Mandela was convicted of terrorism ,now their are statues of him)
Further offenses are uncovered later that is true so on that thinking the police can arrest someone for any reason they deem fit on the hope of being able to make a conviction for something else later( sounds like proper justice to me )...
The police who arrested him ( and yes I have just watched the footage) we're either sent out to arrest him,which means he should have been arrested for contempt of court or they decided of their own backs that he was committing a breach of the peace ( which was what he was arrested for)..

You are right there is nothing unusual about this case really the judiciary and police are a joke,,he's committing a crime outside a court for quite some time ( hour approx) and the plebs can't even work out what crime he is committing or they KNOWINGLY let him do iif

you lot keep kidding yourselves that the right wing are all  dim mindless boneheads,, ....

Will not respond any more about this matter before I suffer any innuendo about being a racist or whatever...

I'm out

Sonic67

Why? That's the same thinking of all Muslims being terrorists because a few are.

I think that for years being "English" was the same as being "British." There was never much of a distinction and it was pretty much interchangeable. There wasn't an English national anthem as the British one was used.

THE SATURDAY SOAP BOX: WE HAVE TO MAKE JERUSALEM ENGLAND'S NATIONAL ANTHEM

I believe this trend began during Euro 96, when England were drawn in the same group as their Scottish neighbours.
When the Scots came to Wembley, England fans were suddenly made aware that, no matter how attached to it they felt, the Union Jack wasn't actually their flag. It belonged to the British.
Faced with this dilemma, they remembered England had its own flag, the flag of St George, which has now replaced the Union Jack at all English sporting events.
This didn't happen because someone in power decided it should. The fans, realising the Union Jack no longer represented them as England supporters, made the change.
Now we've reclaimed our own flag, isn't it time we had our own national anthem? Isn't God Save the Queen the musical equivalent of the Union Jack?

BBC NEWS | England | The fight to keep flying the flag

When England won the World Cup on home soil in 1966 most of the flags being waved in the crowd were Union flags rather than St George's crosses - a tradition which remained in place by the time England made the semi-finals in Italy in 1990.

It was only 10 years ago, when Euro 96 saw England host a major tournament for the first time in 30 years, that the flag of England replaced its British equivalent as the supporters' flag of choice.
Mr Perryman said: "Two things happened in 1996. Labour didn't come into power until the following year but already people knew they were probably going to bring in devolution, and also we played Scotland for the first time in years, so people wanted to celebrate being English rather than British."

2002:
CBBC Newsround | UK | England flags flying off shelves

Sales of England flags have gone through the roof as the country's shops try to keep up with demand.
You can't have missed them flying from car aerials, hung up in front windows and outside every pub and supermarket.

We have become more "English" as a result of Scottish and Welsh devolution and people in England considering themselves less British and more "English."

A few years ago it was fairly interchangeable. I wonder how the poll would have been decades ago?

Waes Hael

Or for me Ukip. What has not wanting to be in the EU got to do with being English?

Let's see how many England flags will be around in a few weeks.

weaviemx5

Are you getting all of your articles and links from Ceefax tonight?

weaviemx5

Surely that’s one of the key points of the Leave campaign? You even said yourself that you changed your avatar to a flag of St George to celebrate, “Independance night”.  The idea of being “English/British” rather than generically “European” has come across as a major benefit to some.

Sonic67

I had St George to celebrate St George's Day.

It was meant to be a one off but I was too idle to swap it. I think it generally used to be Sonic The Hedgehog.

It was changed to the current image as it shows the EU flag, an exit door and the British flag. It's Britain leaving the EU which is factually correct. Not England. And whatever happens we will always be European unless we can move this land mass.

Please let's not associate the EU with Europe.

Sonic67

Sorry I'm overusing "British" as well. That's a Roman term that was resurrected by the Victorians. UK would be better. Or we could go for Albion if we are using old names.

krish

But who wouldn't be?