Customs Union

apolloa

I don’t have access, but the title says it all, several cabinet ministers are considering quiting over May’s Customs union plans, shame they don’t just kick her out, and May is planning to buy off the DUP, I wonder if that means Northern Ireland will be forced to remain in the single market?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/11/cabinet-ministers-could-quit-theresa-mays-brexit-betrayal-pm/

I didn’t think May and her followers could have made it any worst, but they actually have managed to do so today, that’s one impressive feat.

rancidpunk

Yet another person who says it can be solved, but with absolutely no meat on the bones as to how. Maybe I've missed it, but has there been a genuine detailed proposal put forward by anyone?
Bearing in mind it's not just the physical checks that make this an issue. The issues that any border, physical or electronic, create will threaten the equality between north and south, which undermine the principles of the GFA.

apolloa

Ok, so watching This Week after QT, it is confirmed that May and Barnia want the U.K. to remain indefinitely in the Customs Union AND Northern Ireland to remain in the Single Market and they will NOT be able to sign any trade deals the U.K... and I’m not sure what deals the U.K. will be allowed to sign either or what impact remaining in the Customs Union would have on them.
Oh and they are going to throw a few more million of British tax payers money to the DUP to get them to accept this deal.

And we will have zero say in any of the rules and regulations and the ECJ jurisdiction that comes along with this from the EU.

Now I bet we will have another general election before next March, and May will still win because Corbyn is a nutter. But I also think the turn out will be the worst in history for this country.

Bl4ckGryph0n

I think you and I are in agreement, it's the willingness of the people not the actual establishing of the border. The moment you even begin to say the B word the emotions rise up, well tough cookie and grow out of it and join the world (not directed at you Rancid...) things change. And they have a choice, if they choose to pickup arms and terrorism again then clearly it is not the fault of a border.

But anyway, Tony isn't just anyone. He was operationally responsible for it, and led many transformation with ground breaking frictionless and invisible changes. After a false start and a public failed programme by his predecessor for a princely sum no-one didn't hear much about it, and that is because it just works, and operates smoothly and silently behind the scenes, both onshore and from the UK's juxtaposed border locations.

If people want this to work, it can easily be made to work. I'd happily go back and offer my expertise and experience for free on the board, but unless people want this to work it is pointless and futile.

Har-One

The term democracy has been used as shield to justify the mistakes. We can vote but it does not mean that every aspect will benefit from a vote.

If I get cancer I do not want to select a bunch of people from the neighbourhood to vote or advise what I should do. I will go to a bunch of specialists in cancer to advise me and then take the "appropriate" course of action.

One cannot answer complex issues with simple questions. Needless, to say that both side were full of excrement to the brim. There should have been proper information that could be scrutinised and transparent. The referendum was a farce from beginning to end.All the ramifications should been explained and discussed, including the NI issues.

All the people responsible for it are nowhere to be seen. Some slimy characters which have the greatest faith on our future outside the EU had moved their investments to the EU.

We are told constantly that the great majority voted to leave. It was majority but barely not a great one. As I see it, the referendum had divided the UK right down the middle.

blackrod

I hear what you are saying but there is a huge difference; the referendum was a yes/no decision decided by us plebs, the others are in a party manifesto with lots of other commitments (which often change) and you weigh up which to vote for vs the other parties. Plus in GE you have to consider your local parties and the work your MP does for your constituency.
They really are incomparable. However, you are correct the Tories did promise a referendum and highlighted it in their GE campaign. Just to see off UKIP mind and galvanise the party.... oops.

Sonic67

The same as everything else in a democracy. Would you like a list as to how many referenda has been done by EU countries?

Referendums related to the European Union - Wikipedia

Are all those wrong then?

Does this mean Scotland can never have a referendum? You are aware this was the second referendum regarding us being in?
How can being in the EU not be yes or no? Didn't you weigh up what being in the EU or leaving meant? Did you miss all the debates, newspaper articles, news programmes and things shoved through your door? It was months of debate to help you decide. You live in an information age.
It's a vote put to the people like any other. Part of democracy. It's not like referendums don't happen.

Sonic67

What's your answer? I'd like you to come up with a system that benefits absolutely everyone.
Which is what happens. You vote for the party that comes up with course you want the NHS to take. You vote for a party that implements spending, how nationalised, or privatised the system is, how many hospitals are built. The MPs elected then implement this. This then goes to the NHS and they are affected. You are getting down to micromanaging.

As I've said, a referendum is no different to anything else important you vote on. You cast the vote, people employed full time enact it, the results happen as a result. If you vote Conservative or Labour no one asks you whether we have large super hospitals or small ones but close to you.
You do vote on the direction the NHS takes.

Again what system would you prefer? People don't want to be in the EU. What's your idea? "Tough **** you can never have that decision?" Sounds like a dictatorship to me.


A huge amount of reports were done. You were sent information to your house just in case you missed it all. If anything there was too much and people got tired of it all.
Serious question, but where were you when all this was being discussed on all the media? The mines of Moria?
Who? I think they'd love to be in charge.
Who said that? Despite all the effort saying we should Remain and we would be better off if we did, the vote was still to leave. You don't think some people must have major problems for that to be the case? Who are you to say they should be ignored?

justincase

Opened another fund in Dublin to go along with other funds around the world,,not moved their investments....
Most peoples pension funds are or at least should be invested globally..

Just like a general election except a party with less votes than another can win..It's funny how an election result is just accepted by the losing side but the referendum result isn't..

There should have been but that was never going to happen because that would have revealed the truth



The real mistake was not holding a referendum before signing the Lisbon Treaty imho and if the people would of had truth and transparency then what chance would there of been it being voted for

Har-One

There was load of misinformation, no information.
If we are going to get strong opinions without any base that it is not a topic for a referendum.

The system that I would prefer is the one where there is clear information and hold to standards that can be verified and then give people the vote to do an informed pragmatic decision and not a lot boll... that was thrown around, like the millions that we will be getting in one side or the apocalyptical future of the other side.