Customs Union

springtide

Back to the start..

So you want the Norway model, but without any of the concessions.  Got it. Canada   

Canada as we have agreed is different.  Trade levels are different and graphical location also very different.

Sonic67

Only the EU is making it impossible.

Har-One

We made it impossible. The EU has nothing to do with it.

Article 50 was executed without having a clear goal. There was no plan. Why the government did not debate the terms of exit before entering in the two years limit? I do not mean debating with the EU. I mean having a proper discussion of what we wanted to achieve and then using the two years to negotiate it. Nobody had a plan. Brexit means Brexit is as meaningless as a windscreen wiper in the backside of a goat.

Har-One

Actually, we had a disproportional amount of judges creating the EU law protecting our interest. As Margaret Thatcher said: whatever they do will affect us...

tapzilla2k

We have a limited amount of time to gain access to the agreement if there is no deal, thus we'd be in an even weaker position. The US generally dictates trade deals, so we'll have to take whatever they offer.

She can dictate all she likes, the cabinet is split over brexit as is the Tory Party as a whole. She upsets either side and she's toast. The only reason she remains in place is because nobody else appears to want the task of keeping the Tory party afloat while brexit negotiations are ongoing.  

Look up treason laws, unless she's plotting against the Queen and her heirs directly, then she has in no way committed Treason. If anything she's set course for a vision of Brexit that nobody likes or wants.   

Last time the Tories fell out over trade was in the 19th century over the corn laws, it took them 28 years before they won power again. More than enough time for somebody like Corbyn or somebody else to radically change the UK.
This time ? Brexit could prove fatal to the Tory party if that ability to change in order to survive has been lost.

There is likely no escape from the ECJ, when one looks at how say aviation treaties with the EU work.

No. The EU were clear about what they were not prepared to budge on, then May laid down her red lines. Both sides are making it impossible. It's a question of who blinks first to enable a deal be hammered out. If neither side blinks then we get No Deal.

Cliff

Even if we had done that and all parties agreed, (which I doubt would have ever happened because of the strong remainer camp), what makes you think the EU would have agreed to any of our plan.
Secondly, we would be showing all our cards so we would have had no leverage with the EU.

Sonic67

Hurrah.

Har-One

We have no leverage at all as it is. If we do not know where we want to go there is no road in the world that will take us there. The EU might not have agreed to a clear and concise plan but at least we could have been prepared.

In addition, we did not have to share our plannings with the EU until the time of negotiations so the leverage would have been stronger than walking in the dark without any idea where to go.

Har-One

She was the only one to take the poison chalice. Everybody else ran for the hills. She is trying to clear the mess the rest left behind.

Nobody wants to be in her position right now. They know that none of them could survive this, it would have been political suicide.

dms

Our system of government does not require all parties to agree.  It requires a majority vote to carry the will of parliament through.  Technically it required the Lords too but they proved to be largely  spineless so we can ignore them.

We actually have a minority government anyway which may be why you refer to all parties agreeing .  May and the Tories are only mismanaging the country because they bribed a bunch of extremists who it turns out want to wag the dog.

The omnishambles we have now must be largely due to may triggering #50 so soon (to once again appease people) without having the govt departments and civil service think things through.

The point we have no leverage has been made again.  If we had any we might not be an international laughing stock right now (to be fair putting idiots like Boris in positions of power had much to so with that).

Some may say the uk had leverage due to the fact we will threaten not to pay amounts we gave agreed to do repeatedly.  You can look at what happens to the reputations of other countries who do not honour they debts... we seriously don't want to start life outside the eu with our reputation in tatters.

The best solution is may to stuff her red lines, we do the norway model and then wait it out for a few years and when we are better prepared renegotiate if the "will of the people" is still for a harder Brexit.