Attacks in Douma

Sonic67

Seemed to be your point. You seemed to think, successfully killing lots of the enemy was a bad thing. I don't see it as bad that we finished a lot of his army, or bad our armed forces are good at their jobs, or bad that it served as a deterrent to other dictators. Saddam was trying to get his army back, not surrendering.

EarthRod

Your use of the words 'good' and 'bad' are enlightening.

I've seen and smelt enough of the results of killing in a small civil war. Killing on such a scale as on the main highway road out of Kuwait was unnecessary - over-kill.

The US airforce were given carte blanche permission to attack anything that moved on the crowded road and they did just that, everything was destroyed along miles and miles of that crowded 6-lane highway.

Sickening.

AVForm members: please feel free to put up a 'funny' smiley - I don't mind.

Bl4ckGryph0n

A “sad” smiley would be more appropriate.

Btw I never realised you were there and had to make the decision there and then as to what to do. Honoured to be in your presence.

Sonic67

Me too. Numerous times.
They were Saddam's invading army heading back to Iraq. Many carried loot taken from Kuwait. I saw some of the aftermath. I couldn't figure why the vehicles were full of children's toys, TVs etc. I thought, "who goes to war with this stuff?" Then I realised it was all looted.

Later the army were used against Kurds. If they were surrendering you'd have a point. They weren't.

In WWII, Heinkels heading from Norway to bomb Britain were cut down with no loss. Was that slaughter?

15th August 1940: The Luftwaffe’s ‘Black Thursday

At the end of the battle of the bulge, the weather cleared and allied aircraft engaged in a turkey shoot against the German forces. First against those still attacking, second against them retreating.

The Luftwaffe did appear, were cut down and then failed to make a significant appearance for the rest of the war. Was that wrong?

raduv1

Is this nothing more than great optics on behalf of the Trump administration ? . Was broadcast publicly long before the deed was done and I expect the Russions had prior warning to the event so the Assad regime could empty all they have. What was the point of it all but a bit of good publicity , mainly for Trump himself.

But hey he looks good on Twitter hey and we willingly chipped in on his Twitter shirt tails .

But hey it's mission accomplished.

A perfectly executed strike last night. Thank you to France and the United Kingdom for their wisdom and the power of their fine Military. Could not have had a better result. Mission Accomplished!

But yet in 2013 the Trump mantra was this .


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.

7:14 PM - Aug 29, 2013

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48.6K people are talking about thisBut hey ho that last fella was black I suppse  . Do we really need to cling onto that special relationship so damn hard when the leader of the free world is special needs .

The orange idiot wanted to pull the US out of anything Syria relayrd only a couple of weeks ago .

krish

It's a deliberate distraction from his personal troubles, but then the orange idiot is just drawing attention back to his troubles with his ongoing cretinous tweets.

nheather

The problem with Syria, and this has been clear for a long time now, is that it is a no win situation.  Assad is a nasty little sh*t, but the rebels are backed by ISIS.

We should not be siding with either of them.  If it weren’t for the innocents trapped in the middle I’d say that we should leave them to it and let them kill themselves off.

I don’t think either side has any scruples, neither has any thought or care about the innocents caught in the middle and both would happily abuse them to their advantage.

That’s the problem when you get gangs/sects/tribes fighting - we try to romanticise it by making one side good and the other evil when in reality they are both nasty little sh*ts.

Cheers,

Nigel

nabby

It's also pretty much why the Brits never truly could rule Afghanistan during the Empire.

raduv1

Would the better response to be insane sanctions on Russia and Iran who bankroll Assad to cripple their economics by fair means n foul to force them to get rid of Assad ? Have fair elections in Syria to form a govement and then a joint task force , including Russia n Iran to crush the insurgents . Is there something wrong with stability and joint effort in this day and age or am I missing something ?

nheather

The trouble is, with such violent divides I don’t think you can ever have a fair government unless you can fundementally change the culture.

You’ll have Shiites in power oppressing the Kurds.  The Kurds are portrayed as the poor innocents so the West steps in, there are alleged fair elections, the Kurds get into power and start oppressing the Shiites.

Or take the Serb-Croat conflict.  The west step in to help the poor Croats being victims of genocide by the evil Serbs.  Wind back a few years at you have the Croats siding with the Nazis and committing genocide against the Serbs.

Cheers,

Nigel