Attacks in Douma

rancidpunk

A little light heart amongst the conspiracies and doom laden WW3 talk

                                                                       

Skull n Bones

It's all just a game bud, geopolitical chess but don't let it get to you, keep living your dream

apolloa

But when they voted for inspectors to get that proof last week, Russia vetoed it! Kinda difficult for the ‘public’, because governments have a far far far more information and intelligence then the public do, to get that proof when Russia won’t allow it!
Like when Russia claimed that Russian spies and his daughter were not poisened by that nerve agent:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/russia-claims-poison-used-against-12363136

The OPCW, the very same gone to Syria now to investigate the chemical weapons, proved and confirmed it WAS a very high purity of the Russian nerve agent used on the spy and his daughter, despite Russia’s claims otherwise..

So whilst I appreciate the need for ‘concrete proof’, we already have some that a Russian made nerve agent was used in U.K. soil, and we know for a fact chemical weapons have been used in Syria several times before, so for Russia to then claim the U.K. staged the entire thing stinks of guilt to me, I don’t need any ‘concrete proof’ when Russia spews out a load of BS like that! It’s proof enough from sheer desperation to attempt to divert blame.

nheather

As others have said, the Russians have simply vetoed the UN requests to send in Chemical Weapons teams.  There is where the failing is, where more decisive action is required.

If the UN were able to drop in at short notice and get open unhindered access they would find chemical weapon facitities.  They would also find that it is beyond Syrian capabilities, that it is Russian technology supported by Russian technicians.

So basically, the UN are saying “mr Syria, we would like to come in and look whether you are being aided by Russia to develop, implement and deploy chemical weapons” at the same time saying “mr Russia, under UN rules you can veto the request should you feel that there is anything that you don’t want us to discover about your involvement”.

As always the UN are toothless and slow.  They should have considered the request and dimissed Russia’s objections as they are an interested party or at least gone with a major majority decision.  They should have then moved very quickly and decisively before anything could be covered up.  I sometimes think that it suits the UN very niceely to be impeded - means they can talk the talk without the risk of ever having to do anything.

You have to bear in mind that governments have a lot more information than the public credit.  The media and public talk about THE alledged chemical attack, in fact there have been a dozen since the US last took action.  This isn’t the knee-jerk recation that it is being made out to be.

It is the UN that has repeatedly failed and the US have eventually had enough.

Not sure what the liberals want.  Personnally, I Would like to see us not get involved at all, pull out completely, let themselves tear themselves to bits, seal our borders and let the UN try to sort it out.

Cheers,

Nigel

krish

This iteration of Trump doesn't quite live up to alt-right Bannonite isolationism. Though some, like fellow con artist Alex Jones, are blaming 'liberals' like card-carrying Republicans Mueller and Comey (his book is out Monday, probably more accurate than Wolff's F&F), for forcing Trump to take this path as a distraction. They of course will never believe what Mueller and Comey reveal, so think their boy's safe.

Enki

Well of course, there will be always element of that between Russia/Assad and conspiracy theorists. However, you don't proceed with actions thats leaves big open goals, so they can peddle their agendas. It's either there is something to hide or incompetence!  Either way it appears an unpopular course of action here in the UK, despite the best efforts to convince otherwise.

They have still gone, so this veto was more  lodging of disappoval?

OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Continues Deployment to Syria

Of course Douma was not bombed by us. So evidence will be found of chemical use. However, don't think it was much of an issue of was it used, more who used it?

What OPCW probably won't establish now because of our incineration of airfields depots delivery systems that might have been used in the Douma attack. So lots of room for Russia/Assad to peddle.

nheather

Well they will be able to inspect everything without hinderence because Syria/Russia said they shot all the missiles down and tweeted a video of business as usual in Damascus.  So no harm done then

Cheers,

Nigel

Enki

But we are saying we have destroyed, reduced chemical and capability targets, so you now believe the Russia/ Assad, very conveint about turn, only the other day they were full of "BS"


Which is it?

nheather

Oh dear, that’s why I put a winking smiley at the end of my last post.

If you can’t handle the sarcasm and want it spelling out - yes the claims of many missiles being shot down and video of Damascas unharmed are  total BS, the targets are rubble.

Why don’t you go to Syria and put your observation to him - after all it is he that is saying that they shot everything down but at the same time being outraged at the US actions.

Cheers,

Nigel

Enki

Indeed humour in the chemical weapon thread. And so its agreed, its rubble very likely any linking evidence!

Not my democratic elected representative, don’t see why i should, and my concern is the response of my representation.