1400 cases child abuse -Rotherham

Sonic67

This is different. Generally abusers abuse people within their own demographic. There might be exceptions but generally it's like that.

Rotherham sex abuse scandal: we cannot ignore that race played a part in these crimes – Telegraph Blogs

The 2011 census in Rotherham showed that 3.1 per cent of the population of the Borough were of Pakistani or Kashmiri ethnicity. Yet as Jay states, “In Rotherham, the majority of known perpetrators were of Pakistani heritage including the five men convicted in 2010. The file reading carried out by the Inquiry also confirmed that the ethnic origin of many perpetrators was ‘Asian’.” This is despite the fact that, as Jay underlines, the perpetrators of crimes of this nature normally select victims of the same ethnic origin. In Rotherham the opposite occurred. Pakistani men targeted white girls so that they could rape them.

But consider this. Imagine if it came to light that in another region of the country, organised gangs of white men had been systematically engaging in the rape and abuse of black children. The local white community knew about it, but shielded the crimes behind a wall of silence. Officers in the local authority were aware of it, but were told by their political masters to keep quiet about the racial element of the crime for fear of offending their local constituency. Police officers who attempted to investigate where specifically warned by their superiors to ignore any racial aspect to the offences.

There would be a national outcry. The racism inherent in those crimes would not be pushed to the margins, but to the forefront of our enraged response. There would be a full public inquiry, along the lines of Lawrence. And that reaction would be wholly appropriate.

Pisto_Grih

The tacit suggestion being that child rape and sexual abuse is an endemic problem in Pakistani muslim communities?

DandyAndy

By Singling out offenders as coming from one ethnicity is likely to further the hiding of other abusers from other ethnic backgrounds there is a problem in not acknowledging that a particular group of offenders have common ethnicity that is evident but the only difference is the model they use to groom their victims. I only have to go work that tells me child sex abusers are predominately white there all manner of Ethnic backgrounds but they all reflect the what make our population.  Operation Torbay Operation Mansfield Operation Retriever Operation Yewtree, the list goes on.

The establishment won’t need to take lessons to show us they are taking it seriously and lessons have been learnt; the thread and media as whole has already moved from the central issue protecting Children and descending into lawyers, compensation pension’s tax payer money.  In my opinion as bad as those officials who failed completely in protecting Children because of driving their own agenda.

Cliff

Nice post, and it is unfortunate decent Pakistanis are unjustly carrying the burden for these crimes.
However, I would take issue with the statement above.

The abusers were Pakistani and the victims were mainly white. Why? Because these vulnerable girls were behaving in ways that is seen by the community as being of loose morals, 'fallen' and not decent in any way. They were easy pickings, and these guys probably felt they had a clear conscious. After all, Muslim girls don't (or are not allowed) to behave like this.

We have plenty of low life gangs who are white but if they tried something like this, on this scale, they would have been caught. That is why this has become an issue about the collusion of the authorities turning a blind eye because it involved race.

pragmatic

Nope, but there is a cultural element that allows these men the seeming moral freedom to do what other cultures do not.

This is not implied or otherwise that Pakistani men are by default forming gangs of child rapists, but some Pakistani men do and the practise appears to be limited to only this group.  A sub group of men are paedophiles, a further subgroup of this is Pakistani men are involved in this gang street grooming behaviour.

I am no more calling Pakistani community a hot bed of natural paedophiles then I am the male gender.  To ignore the cultural aspect would mean that we could not get to the heart of this problem, which is specific to these men in this community.

pragmatic

Can you not understand that there are multiple offences going on in different communities all with different motives, we have to make distinct judgements and different action to prevent the abuse.

Take for example the celebrity or the MP/Councillor element of this, we need more oversight and transparency when these people of power have access to vulnerable young people under state protection.  For the most part the victims of this particular group were care homes, hospitals and orphanages, where because of their status were given cart blanch access, even actual keys to the building to do as they wished.
Can this solution be applied to street grooming?

The street grooming cases are a case of the authorities being aware but actively ignoring or even complicit in the crimes because of their views of the victims overrode their statuary responsibility of care for the victims.

The family paedophile is the most difficult to route out as it is done behind closed doors and much like modern day slavery in Britain, without the victim speaking out it is very unlikely that the perpetrator will ever be found.  These people are often devious and smart and exert control over their victims to the extent that they won't be spoken out against, and never risk being found in a compromising or incriminating situations.

The 4th case of the internet paedophile while difficult is something we can track down, although the powers to do this effectively would mean the general public giving up a very large amount of privacy to the establishment, police and security services.  As we've seen elsewhere the establishment have abused these powers, for example councils using using anti-terror laws to spy for the most trivial cases, like which catchment areas parents actually lived, or even bin usage.

After this episode the establishment, and add in things like Mid Staffs, confidence in them is at a very low ebb, I don't think the current structure of our public institutions lends itself to be trusted, and scandal after scandal the public have every right to be highly critical and suspicious of any power grab.

DandyAndy

The Child Sex Abuser requires Motivation, Internal Inhibitions, External Inhibitors Resistance, they are the same whatever race colour creed.  You can’t just remove internal and external and the problem disappears that is evident with White Lone Child Abuser. The motivation will always override and seek the other models required to find a victim.   I’m really not into politicalizing and point scoring and driving agenda  more I was talking about the model of the Child Sex abuser not the method or a integrated model of the child abuser sex and how they go about and meet their desires.

A child sex abuser, is just that, I make no distinction. I’m off this agenda train.

pragmatic

Are you saying that Pakistani culture had nothing to do with this, and we should not even explore that avenue?

I relly struggle to see what your continuing to post about.  Everything you say I agree with, except your last sentence, as with all crimes there are different categories, they all need to be tackled differently to discover, prevent and re-educate where necessary.  Lumping all child sex abuses togther will not get us to these any quicker, and that should be the focus.

Sonic67

If you want to ignore the fact it was Pakistani men and white girls as you are worried there might be a racial aspect then you are no different to Rotherham police and council.

robel

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