1400 cases child abuse -Rotherham

EarthRod

I think you have totally lost the plot. I could say other stuff but I won't.

Sonic67

True though it might keep these idiots in the news and if Rotherham's tax payers end up seeing the compo being paid out they might press for them all to be kicked out. At the moment it will be the usual, standard quotes of "lessons have been learned" "we apologise unreservedly" "draw a line under this and move on" platitudes from spokesmen in the hope it can be brushed aside and then they can carry on getting their large salaries and pensions.

Sonic67

Rotherham sex abuse scandal: we cannot ignore that race played a part in these crimes – Telegraph Blogs

How could crimes that vile have been committed over such an extended period?

The answer to that question is the same in both the Rotherham and Savile cases. The attackers had a cloak. Savile’s was fame. In Rotherham it was race.

alexw3

Yes.  That was my first thought too.  The taxpayer will be paying so where is the punishment in that for those in positions of offical power that were criminally negligent?

They should be able to sue the actual individuals.  It's a damn pity they can't.

Naqv

Being of Pakistani Origin myself, I am amazed by the comments I read online stating that somehow I am now a prime suspect in being a groomer or sexual abuser of children or that somehow because of my culture, I might commit those horrendous crimes reported in Rotherham.  
People that I talk to on a daily basis now view me with some form of hesitation, in the way they approach themselves or talk to me.  But it doesn't bother me, as it tells me more about those people than reviewing myself.

The only bit race/culture played in the crimes was that the report found that the majority of victims were white and the abusers were of Pakistani Origin.  If you think any other way, either you are misinformed and or of a different political persuasion.  What I am implying is that if you believe that there is some form of conspiracy within the Pakistani community to rape young white children, then you are simply wrong.  In fact , this idea is so dangerous that I am not even going to "discuss" it or debate it.
This is simply a matter of law and order, where multiple factors within certain areas all led to the result being the abuse that has been reported.  
Factors included,

-Socio-economic conditions of the area and the people involved.  
-Drugs, i.e. Drug dealers in various communities behave in a similar way as described in the report.  I have seen it with my own eyes in London and Birmingham, although in single isolated incidents, meaning 2-3 times over 10 years.  I don't know what happens in private, apart from seeing very young girls hang around with drug dealers in deprived areas.
-Lack of police enforcement of law and order,
-Lack of will within the council to do something about these abuses when they were FIRST reported, which allowed the criminals to think that nothing will happen to them and allowed them to carry on with the abuses.
-Ease of abuse, meaning this children who happen to be white were already in a very vulnerable state and thus easy pickings for these abusers.  You won't see these guys hang around normal areas targeting girls who are going to Grammar Schools!  They were not targeted because they were white; they were targeted because they knew that they were vulnerable and there was very little to nothing in the way of support, whether in the community or their families for these children.  The reason they didn't target Pakistani children etc was that there would be a very high chance of 10 cars pulling up in front these abusers houses and they would be dealt with harshly by the children's families.

Let me assure you that normal people of any community don't decide to get hold of drugs, alcohol and stalk little children for months at a time, abusing them, driving them to other cities, playing games with their families, threatening and using violence.  Even though I have lived in a wide variety of areas within Birmingham, mostly deprived, I have not come across this behaviour.  I have seen aspects of some behaviour, but not all of it together in a single case like Rotherham.  For example, I have seen some black guys who are 18-20 "go out" or "hang out" with very young girls of say 11-16; these guys are known drug dealers and I can strongly assume that they abuse the girls in a similar fashion to the case in Rotherham.

I think I have gone on long enough and can go on and on, but not tonight....

the id

This has everything to do with the fact that the victims of these crimes were white. The mentality of the perpetrators towards 'WHITE' girls (and also women) was definitely used as the catalyst driving the abuse. These men just used the 'Socio-economic conditions of the areas' to their advantage.

Just look at that figure '1400' individual young female victims. (Tip of a countrywide problem).

Why still try and divert the reasons to other factors when those other factors have just been used to cloak a deeper cultural attitude to the sex and ethnicity of each child (they were female and white).

It is just that simple.

Give the victims a voice and this truth will finally be exposed. Ask the children that were raped, beaten, trafficked and threatened who did this to them and why.

EarthRod

Good post Naqv.

Other members of the forum have highlighted a similar predicament to yours, for example: members who work in the financial sector feel they are being 'targeted' because other members are criticising the banks over the libor scandal and various embezzlements. They seem to think that they are being implicated in the corruption carried out by others.

Unfortunately, this aspect is a human failing and all of us suffer from this in some way, shape or form. I was in Nairobi when the deputy president was assassinated and it was thought initially he was shot by a white guy and the news spread like wildfire. Many white guys were severely beaten up in the streets and dragged from their cars and knifed and beaten. I, like many others, had to hide in fear of our lives until it was discovered the deputy president was shot by another political faction. Phew.

So, take it easy and note all of us suffer from this human failing.

krish

@Naqv there was/is some degree of conspiracy to this, not directly at the criminal activity level but the shady unofficial deals between various public services and the self-appointed male community leaders allowing them to sort out certain matters themselves. This state of community relations has not been confined to Rotherham, and has been a boon for violent husbands, and clearly other criminal behaviour
   -    the Jay report has highlighted the “bullying and macho” deal-making culture involving the local authority and the male, self-appointed leadership of the Pakistani Muslim community

pragmatic

I think I made myself very clear several times now, I'll try one last time then you're on your own.
this is about the organisation, the numbers involved not only the victims but the perpetrators, the bonding girls mostly of a different race/religion to themselves into sex slavery and trafficking them as a form of income.  

If you can find evidence of that as an indigenous UK cultural phenomenon then I'll certainly retract the comment.

Sonic67

Rotherham: In the face of such evil, who is the racist now? - Telegraph

Let’s start with a riddle. If South Yorkshire Police can mount a raid on Sir Cliff Richard’s home in pursuit of evidence linked to a single allegation of child sex abuse 30 years ago, why were South Yorkshire Police incapable of pursuing multiple allegations against multiple men who raped 1,400 children over 16 years?

All but one of the perpetrators were Muslims of Pakistani heritage who would have related to Cliff’s hit, Living Doll.

One 11-year-old known as Child H told police that she and another girl had been sexually assaulted by grown men. Nothing was done. When she was 12, Child H was found in the back of a taxi with a man who had indecent pictures of her on his phone. Despite the full co-operation of her father, who insisted his daughter was being abused, police failed to act. Four months later, Child H was found in a house alone with a group of Pakistani men. What did the police do? They arrested the child for being drunk and disorderly and ignored her abusers.

Equally horrifying is the suggestion that certain Pakistani councillors asked social workers to reveal the addresses of the shelters where some of the abused girls were hiding.

A recent poll showed that 44 per cent of young Britons believe that Muslims do not share the same values as the rest of the population, while 28 per cent said they felt Britain would be “better off” with fewer Muslims.

Attitudes are even more negative among older people. A recent Radio 4 item about how junior jihadists spending their gap year massacring people in Iraq could be “reintegrated” into British society produced hoots of derision on social media and spilt tea across the breakfast tables of England. (Hands up anyone who wants the blighters back?) The period of giving the benefit of the doubt to young Muslims who go on “camping holidays” to Syria is over. Undoubtedly, the fact that “Jihadi John”, the hooded man who was party to the beheading of James Foley, spoke with a London accent has provoked further despair about the widespread failure of Muslims to integrate. Has it really come to this? A child raised with all the freedoms and blessings of a British upbringing behaving like a natural-born barbarian.

Thanks to Prof Jay, it has been stated publicly for the first time that the fear of appearing racist was more pressing in official minds than enforcing the law of the land or rescuing terrified children.

BBC News - Rotherham child abuse: Police commissioner quits Labour

A Labour MP now wants a possible misconduct case against Mr Wright.

Now Labour backbencher John Mann MP is to write to Home Secretary Theresa May asking for the police to investigate whether a case of misconduct in public office could be brought against Mr Wright and others involved in the allegations in Rotherham.

Mr Mann said the inquiry should not be carried out by South Yorkshire Police, but by another force.

Best thing I think.