Labours ongoing anti semitism row

springtide

I don't think its that useful quoting statistics as this doesn't give an indication if Israel are being falsely accused. Maybe better to quote UN articles that are unjust?

Illegal occupation of another region will get the UN's attention for sure.  UN 541 related to Northern Cyprus as an example.

BobbyMac

Is he?

Labour currently adhere to their own modified version of the IHRA (not legally binding)

@robel apparently doesn't give a "fudge" about the UN's definition (legally binding)

robel

Only resolutions adopted by the Security Council acting under Chapter VII of the Charter, are considered binding, the rest are simply recommendations. Please provide evidence that supports your assertion.

Bl4ckGryph0n

I really don’t know what you mean by “that only leaves on option”. With such an undefined open ended statement I couldn’t possibly agree.

And with the UN, no I don’t think they are fundamentally corrupt. Israel deserves some of the critisms. Whilst I’m sympaththetic for their reactive responses more so than many others, the state leaves themselves open to such resolutions by their actions.

BobbyMac

The point I was making that the UN has more legal authority than the IHRA

I was also pointing out your hypocritical stance

However as you don't give a fudge, it's a moot point

BobbyMac

Ultimately the UN is relatively toothless IMHO due to the veto system anyway

robel

Ok let me be succinct. Corbyn claims he is pro peace but only ever attends, entertains, befriends one side, the Anti Israel lot.

Is he really pro Palestinian? Does he ever criticize hamas, Islamic Jihad, Abbas or any others from the other side for what they do to their own people? For their role in the lack of peace? For stealing billions of dollars in aid?

There have been atleast 4000 Palestinians murdered in Syria. The Lebanese have built a wall around the Palestinian refugee camp there. Egypt destroyed 60 tunnels and blew up several hundred Palestinian homes in order to maintain security. The expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from Kuwait during the Gulf war.

I don't see Corbyn making a stand because of these actions.

He is simply anti Israel.

Bl4ckGryph0n

It's an interpretation, an opinion. Too much of a leap in my liking to deduct from that he is anti Israel. Personally I don't buy that. Sure he seems to have an affinity to the perceived underdog, he seems to be comfortable when in a protest situation. Personally I think he is simply stuck in a role that he's played ever since he was a student and still too much of a rebel without thinking through his associations, and choices. I really don't like him, but I don't think he is fundamentally bad, or against Israel. Maybe I fall for it, I simply belief he is seriously bad at making judgement calls.

robel

And his judgment regarding sharing platforms with Holocaust deniers and Jew haters? He is a serial offender.

Bl4ckGryph0n

He has apologised and explained.

I think that if you zoom out a little and look at the overall context of mis judgement then you’ll see a recurring theme.

Take the train seats incident. He had a very valid point, but executed it in the totally wrong way. He could have been on any train without needing to stage the event. Yet he didn’t.

I can’t belief I’m “defending” the guy, however I think it is important to keep track of the overall picture and not just in one topic.

Similarly with the problem labour is facing with this issue. It can go away, it can be easily fixed. Somehow he doesn’t realise the consequences of his actions. I do not belief he has inherently bad intentions at all.