London murder rate overtakes New York

Bl4ckGryph0n

Under May as home secretary, crime fell by 35% even as budgets were cut by 18%.

Is doing better with less a bad record?

rancidpunk

Whilst arguing about stats is admirable/laudable on one level, we're also talking about the feeling of being safe on the streets. And, as with the Brexit vote, feelings count for way more than abstract stats (abstract to the average person). After all, wtf does crime is down 35% (or whatever) in x years mean to me or my neighbour, as someone living in a London borough? Do we as a consequence feel 35% safer, whatever that's meant to feel like? I might, but my neighbour might not.

It's no different to the Government saying the economy grew by 2% in 6 months and wages went up 1.5%. Unless I'm actually feeling wealthier in my pocket it's meaningless guff in comparison to what I experience.

And that's not to have a go at you for what you're posting. I find it mostly interesting to read the back and forth debate. But at some point what we feel as people, as citizens, as parents, grandparents, children, colleagues, friends, matters more. The rest is just numbers and spin.

Cliff

I haven't argued against anyone saying they feel unsafe or whatever though @nabby.

I've countered statements that Theresa May had a bad record.

Or that cuts caused crime to rise.

And so on.  If someone is going to make a statement with facts, and they are wrong, they can expect their statement to be challenged.

Marv

Be careful now, you'll end up on the ignore list

rancidpunk

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