"Organic food" - is the concept past its sell by date?

Chadford

Ok probably a starting point rather than proof proper...

UK Organic Chickens Far More Likely To Have CampylobacterBacteria

...can I shut up now?

rousetafarian

In this thread, yes of course it would due to being totally irrelevant, so start a new thread if you wish.

Moving back on topic.....

outoftheknow

I guess we will never know as it doesn't seem very relevant to me at least......

I didn't see the video before it disappeared but I would guess that with the comment it could be seen less to do with organic products and more of a (perfectly valid in the right place and at the right time) off topic personal view.

Also guessing but that's what I reckon may have happened FWIW

Edit - back on topic - did I mention our chooks eggs are organic - at least they should be if I can trust the labels on the food and seeds the wasteland that used to be lawn and garden beds before we let them loose definitely has nothing added to ruin my organic nirvana......  I reckon our fruit and veg is organic. If it survives the occasional loose bunnies that love beans and peas the only thing it is sprayed with for pests is garlic water. Yes the garlic is organic

IronGiant

Old news...   10-3-1   2001?

Patrick Holden, director of the Soil Association, which regulates organic farming, said: "Because of the variation in standards for organic farming across the EU it would be difficult to use this research to make a judgment on the situation in the UK.

"The stringent standards set out by the Soil Association, such as lower stocking densities, mean that organically reared poultry in the UK would be naturally more resistant to strains of campylobacter.

"We will look at the research in more detail, but it is possible that antibiotics used in the non-organic poultry cases examined in the Danish research have suppressed the detection of infection from campylobacter. By contrast, organic farming prohibits the routine use of antibiotics."

Edit: More seriously though, if this were really an issue in the UK, don't you think there would have been some sort of official announcement by now?   Perhaps they could dig Edwina Currie out of retirement to make it

Back on the original topic, I don't see the concept fizzling out any time soon.  It's just as if not more popular.  The introduction of "Basics" is to tempt the Aldi and Lidl shoppers in.   I normally buy basics veg

Kailash

rarely buy organic, too expensive
think we need to get Michael Mosley on the case, make a BBC documentary
see if organic is actually any better for you

Chadford

Really???, sounds BS to me???

The work currently done at the Roslin Institute near Edinburgh (genome editing) seems promising in terms of breeding *better* poultry, but I think they're more concerned with *fixing* avian bird flu rather than sorting out campylobacter as yet.

JimmyMac

I've done some work with the soil association recently on some of our line of detergents and disinfectants, my side looks is for ones being used for manufacture of cosmetics. They certainly do have stringent standards and we've created a specialist line for that purpose

outoftheknow

GM chooks!! I think I would rather have some water and antibiotics  injected in my bought chooks if I couldn't afford or be bothered with organic

Isn't there a cartoon about that research....... Robot chicken I think it was called

IronGiant

It was from your "proof"  link ,  but as I say, looks like it's 15 years old.  Great bit of journalism though, take a bit of research on Danish Chicken and then say there's a problem in the UK in the title.

Chadford

Take a look at how campylobacter is transmitted and which animals (& insects) are carriers, that's the issue. It's a very easy thing to transmit from animal to animal, it's not just a chicken issue.