Tory manifesto: Adult Social Care bill query

Cocksure

No chance in hell now this will be a landslide for May.

This is coming from someone who usually votes Con/Ukip.

maclover

This seems to cover them all. She doesn't appear to like pressure; bodes well for Brexit negotiations!

Every Theresa May U-turn since she became Prime Minister

Cocksure

I'm still really struggling to see how this can be described as a u-turn??

Facebook politics at its finest.

Stuey1

The care cap hasn't yet been introduced.

It was due for 2016 but has been delayed until 2020.

How the cap on care costs works - BBC News

Doesn't change your post much but thought it might be worth mentioning.

Also, this article has an interesting take on the policy and it's possible consequences.

May's social care pledge could be huge wealth tax - BBC News

fluxo

You wrote that a cap is comparatively unfair to the poor. You then wrote that your parents home could be touched under a cap and that you consider them to be relatively poor.

The implication is that you think a cap could be unfair to your relatively poor parents, because it could require them to give up some of their assets to pay for their care, rather than the state doing so.

And by the way: I don't feel terribly comfortable talking about your parents and I wish you'd stop dragging them into the discussion. It's not necessary.

fluxo

Hi. Yes, I was careful to write that the Care Act was introduced then, rather than the cap itself.

It appears so. So that would make today's announcement plan number 4, assuming there are no other changes I'm unaware of.

Thanks for the links. I'm off for a read.

Blitzkrieg

In London sure, however where I live house prices are lower than 2005.

tapzilla2k

Indeed. I can think all of those things and still want my parents to sell up and enjoy their money while they can.

I've no expectations of inheriting anything.

I reckon most of the outrage seen over these proposals is from those worried more about their inheritance than concern for pensioners (who are more protected under the previous Tory proposal).

I also believe a large proportion of the lefties hand wringing about poor pensioners will be the same people wishing the racist, stupid, old people would die after the referendum.

Stuey1

It says nothing about pensioners who don't own a house/flat or indeed those pensioners who are only wealthy on paper i.e. house price value. They've pushed answering about what the cap will entail until after the election. In the end we'll either have to go down a social care insurance type scheme or we have a tax that funds social care that is separate from NI.

That thought never even entered my mind, being a grown up I realise votes don't go the way you want them to.

Anyway all in all this wobble may cost May a big majority and could likely make it difficult to get anything pushed through if her backbenchers decide they can dictate policy and U Turns in the expectation that May is a wobbler under pressure.

The Dude

I don't understand the wobble under pressure thing??? (and suggesting it would be the same for brexit is naive, Politicians need votes from there electorate, last I checked none of the European politicians are going to be voting for/against them)

Surely that's the point of a democracy - that the PM (and potential PMs) bring about policies that will win them elections... There seems little point pressing ahead with something that isn't going to get you where you want to go...

I take it when most people realise they are going the wrong way they just press ahead anyway [emoji849]