The State knows what's best for your children?

EarthRod

Now the father is in Madrid (in the clink) and the Ashya is in a Marbella hospital. Legal processes will take their course and the hearing has been adjourned until tomorrow. The Spanish said he should be in prison for a maximum of 72 hours

The family will be fighting against being sent back to England to face the consequences which appear to be charges of cruelty and neglect.
  The whole family has been forbidden to see their son.

Even the PM has made a comment, about wanting to do the best thing for Ashya- then how about releasing the parents?

pragmatic

We're not yet getting the full story. Something is missing and something is not right.

Strange situation.

Cliff

Clegg on the news this morning saying he hopes the family is reunited soon, although visibly nervous about what he was saying, like a blink-a-thon but also said this is an issue purely for the police.

It appears the state has no actual hierarchy of control, simply a huge honeycomb of fiefdoms.  We saw the same with the NHS during numerous scandals, there is no real boss therefore no one needs to take responsibility.

nheather

I've just seen Clegg of Sky news and he was almost trying to blame the Spanish authorities for separating the boy from his family! - bit rich considering we put out an international arrest warrant- and are still pursuing extradition.

kav

This is how I see it.

NHS (Southampton Hospital) want to do the usual cheaper treatment that has a great risk of collateral brain damage.

Parents want a newer, more expensive treatment which has a much lower risk of collateral brain damage.

NHS consider and refuse the new treatment.

Family decide that they will get the new treatment privately.

Authorities get involved, child is isolated in a foreign country, parents are criminalised.

The trumped up charge is that they are harming the child.  Well the same could be said of the NHS who are denying a better treatment and insisting on one that has a high risk of collateral brain damage.  Are the NHS chiefs being charged?  Seems to me that they stand to harm the child more than the parents.

As a side observation.  Authorities are very quick to go to Spain to chase down parents who have committed no crime.  But they don't seem so quick to go to Syria to chase down Britons involved in terrorism.

Soft targets all the time.

Cheers,

Nigel

IronGiant

That summary is roughly my view of it too. Give it a few years and it will be a film starring Ewan McGregor and Naomi Watts.

Cliff

I still feel we are high on speculation and low on facts.  I think that it could well turn at that this revolves more around the manner in which the boy was taken from the hospital rather than the reasons behind it.  Which is speculating I know.

EarthRod

Even if all the facts about the nature of the contretemps with the hospital come out, it really doesn't excuse the authorities from treating the family like criminals.

It seems the law as it stands is that you can discharge yourself (over 18). You have to sign a disclaimer that if you drop dead on the hospital steps, it's your fault. (I have actually done this myself, when the doctor wanted to keep me in over a bank holiday and I was right a rain)

Now with a child you would expect the parent would be able to do this, but although they tried, the hospital had an ace card up their sleeve. Social services could actual take the child away under care.

The father, being rather savvy, realised what the hospital were up to and out flanked them by pretending to go along with the doctors, but all along making preparations to take the boy abroad.

This triggered the vindictive response by the authorities and even though there are still no charges they were put on Interpol's list for arrest.

So really this proves to all parents that although you may have children, they don't belong to you if you go against the State. Scary!

Cliff

Speculation.

Cliff

What part is speculation?