The State knows what's best for your children?

EarthRod

Lets not jump to any conclusions. We do not know the facts.

It could be over-reaction by the NHS doctor(s) because the parents over-reacted and got angry/frustrated to such an extent the doctor touched on the subject of child care.

The police might/might not have over-reacted because the parents and 'kidnapped' child fled the country. Again possible over-reaction by the parents.

The media of course will make a big noise over this, together with their own political and social agenda. The little darlings.

Wait and see how this unfolds...

Cliff

Today we do know enough facts to come to some conclusions...
Yes, there appears to have been an argument in the NHS hospital -The treatment was not available on the NHS.
He decided that he wanted to pursue his own choice of treatment abroad and pay himself- Anything wrong in that?
He took his child out of the hospital.

The police know a lot more of the facts today because they they have seen the child and father. His child is happy, not in danger (originally the police said a medical battery was going flat).

The Police made a big thing about not wanting to apologize. OK with the facts they had yesterday, they wanted to trace the family. But now they can see the family and hear the mans side of things they still want to extradite the dad?? Is this revenge for going against the authorities? Or just not wanting to lose face.

In the meantime 'the best interests of the child' have been forgotten!

EarthRod

You're confusing me.

Are you blaming the NHS doctors, the state or the police?

I notice you are not proportioning any blame onto the parents.

loz

As proven in Rotherham...

krish

How can they extradite him if no crime has been committed?

What will it do to the child to have the father taken away?

A ludicrous state of affairs.

loz

I don't feel we've been given all the facts to comment on the case ... feels like a lot of spinning is going on,  and the media is in silly season giving this a ridiculous level of coverage but telling us nothing.

Now if some god botherers or quackery fools tried to stop their children having routine non-contentious life saving treatment, I would very much be in favour of their wishes being declined. I would also be in favour of prosecution on the grounds of neglect if their avoidable stupidity directly led to a fatal outcome.

loz

So basically, if you reject a doctor's advice, you may face a charge of neglect.
Is that common? what about those who refuse on religious grounds? Are they routinely charged with neglect?

krish

Funny enough, my wife and I both said yesterday, "and this is the number 1 item on the news why exactly?"

Cliff

I was giving my opinion. I don't think they are charged, but I think they should be. I hate seeing children suffer for their parents deliberate avoidable actions.

I'm talking routine proven treatments and therapies, including transfusions, vaccinations etc,  as well as proper medical care from the start,  and not using voodoo/quackery for check ups. Although I'm not commenting on the parents in the headlines, clearly they are not of such backwards beliefs on medicine and we are in a contentious area which I wouldn't want the criminal justice system to be involved with.

Cliff

I am blaming the first three for acting like a roller coaster- and turning this into a hunt that is more appropriate to a bank robber.

So the doctor- without a doubt- very much to blame because he set the wheels in motion and actually threatened to take their little boy into care. (hope he faces some question!).

The NHS for not allowing the parents to seek treatment elsewhere.   threats

I don't blame the police for yesterdays alarm- as they were told the boy was in grave danger etc.

Today, I blame them because they know the more i.e. child not in danger and yet they still want to pursue a vindictive extradition.

If blame is to be apportioned to the parents- well they were desperate, their child may die, and I expect there were some harsh words but it takes two to argue. Still no reason for an international man hunt.

All doctors have different opinions and the Czech doctors believed they could help. It is the dad's money and he should be able to do everything for his son.

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