Who will take over from Theresa May?

tapzilla2k

That would be the directive which the UK government improved by also including payment methods such as PayPal? Which were not part of the EU directive scope.

lostinspace

It might be so, but it's utterly dim witted to aim for a hard brexit without even trying to negotiate. I can see what the Brexiteers are doing, they are trying to make it look like a hard brexit is the fault of the EU to deflect blame when the pooh hits the fan.

The EU could still have us on our knees begging for mercy. Take the haulage industry as an example, if there is do deal in place between the UK and EU to allow UK Lorries free movement into the EU, then we'd end up with 3rd party status. Giving us something like 1000 permits for UK Lorries to enter the EU. Not enough to cover the volume of trade, thus putting the haulage industry under immense stress. Yes you can say we could retaliate by not allowing EU lorries into the UK, but that would see the supermarket shelves empty.  


Yes well the UK helped draft Article 50.....

The Job of Politicians to make a real attempt at negotiations, not sit around waiting for a no deal brexit. The only thing that matters is the Economy, if we do a no deal brexit that upsets market stability it probably won't be the EU who get hammered by the Bond Markets. We can't afford a credit rating downgrade and Brexit at the same time. It's a recipe for an IMF Bailout if we are not careful.

Hard Brexit is entirely avoidable if we had a sensible negotiation plan and competent Ministers in charge of the negotiations. We have neither.

She's not committed to any of the Brexit options, not because she's playing for a No Brexit Deal but because she knows that once she sets a course for Brexit, it will split the Tory Party. May is only looking to survive as PM at this point, hence Merkel joking about May continually asking her for an offer. A No Deal looks likely ? Expect to see the Tory Party implode over it.

Difference is the Tories at that time hadn't quite run out of steam in Government, but due to sleaze and byelections Major had to manage a decline in numbers all the way until May 1997. This time around ? The Tory Party doesn't appear to know what it wants to do moving forward into the future (Corbyn at least had a stab at that in the Labour manifesto), everything is focused on the long civil war over Europe. Everything Cameron and Osborne did to modernise the Tory Party was thrown out the window by May and the evil twins I mean her special advisor's.

The Tories are looking at a rebuilding job, that can only be done in opposition.

The Withdrawal bill is meant to transpose existing EU Law into UK Law. Then Parliament can unpick things at their leisure after Brexit.

tapzilla2k

It's the EU which has consistently refused to negotiate - it's their way or no way as far as they're concerned with NO compromise, and therefore a hard Brexit WILL be the fault of the EU's bureaucrats.

Soundless

The EU is mandating a 'hard' brexit by insisting that FoM is indivisible from the single market.

Soundless

27 memberstates vs 1 memberstate wishing to leave. The EU will only compromise if it's in their collective interest to do so. A hard brexit will be the fault of May for not having a coherent Brexit Policy and an end goal in mind. I can see her walking out of Brexit talks and declaring a no deal blaming it all on the EU. Assuming she survives that long.  

The Single Market operates on the basis of the Four Freedoms. You cannot be in it as a memberstate (or indeed a memberstate wishing to leave), and expect to opt out of any of those four freedoms. If you could, the Single Market would likely collapse. We might after leaving the EU be able to strike a deal to access the Single Market in a limited way.
The EU can do as it pleases, it has less to lose than we do. Hence why they've been playing hardball since the very start. Even if May were to declare a No Deal Brexit, we'd still be bound to the EU until March 2019 according to internationally recognised treaties. And in the end we will have to do a trade deal with the EU at some point in the future. So really it's another walking out of EU talks to look tough moments we've so often seen from Conservative PM's. Only this time with Economic consequences that nobody can really predict.  

If you want Brexit to be a success, then a No Deal Brexit is probably the worst outcome. All that might end up doing is damaging the Economy and then it might create the atmosphere for a successful campaign for the UK to rejoin the EU under Article 49 of the Lisbon Treaty. Brexit will either succeed or fail based on whatever deal is struck or not struck with the EU.

If there is a No Deal Brexit, then there will be things we will have to negotiate with the EU i.e. open skies treaties etc. Least we find flights grounded and the UK bypassed by international flights heading for the EU.

The Dude

Just as well that the stated aim of the government is to get a broad ranging deal covering goods and services, while controlling our own borders and laws and not paying vast sums to the EU.

Soundless

Seriously???

The EU has 4 main freedom tenents...

The 'four freedoms' of the European Union are the freedom of movement of goods, people, services and capital over borders.

It is not possible to get a better trade arrangement than free trade, thus, by definition, any agreement must be worse than that currently in place. UK say they are willing to pay for free trade access (yes I know paying for a free thing), but that access comes with conditions, as per Norway, Switzerland etc

I can't get over the expectation that some have that the EU are intransigent because they won't change their fundamental policies for the UK who make a snap decision with no plan to back it up. There are so many mixed messages coming from our government, CU - both in and out this week, won't pay for free trade, will pay for free trade, Irish border position is ludicrous, I think there have been more contradictory promises on that than Corbyn had in his last manifesto. Plus, then we have our right wing fanatics throwing stones from the sidelines, JRM and DUP seem to be having a competition to see who say the most ridiculous, inflammatory and factless statement.

lostinspace

Yes, seriously.

The EU insists that to be in the single market you must accept FoM.

I'm not sure why you are asking if I'm serious. You just confirmed that too? So you obviously know it's correct.

The Dude

I was reading your post as saying that the EU is being unreasonable,  maybe I misunderstood.....my point is that EU aren't being unreasonable, they are actually being very consistent and sticking to their standards.

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Sonic67

The point being that sticking to their standards and being inflexible with regards to FoM is how we ended up here in the first place.

The response to a 'crisis' of their own making? more of the same.