Teacher Shortage Crisis

nabby

Most adults suffer from corporate punishment every day of their working lives

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Cliff

I have heard this bland statement before but given 10 seconds thought does it really hold up?

The only truth is that this method of discipline was passed on from teachers/ parents to children. But before the 1970's, provided the physical punishment was within acceptable limits, why wouldn't it be passed on?

Are you saying that children / parents people in general were more violent in the 50s and 60s 70s than today? If you are saying that then you are on a very sticky wicket indeed.

alan280170

Was still going on in the mid 80's.

Now we have the liberals saying that you cannot discipline children in any way, everyone has to be included and that there are no winners at school sports etc. You wonder why we have so many society problems. Not saying it was all rosy in the garden when I grew up, but you knew if you were up to no good and got caught there was consequences and you weighted up the risk/reward of the particular jaunt you were about embark on.

Nowadays, little Johnny gets away with a warning on the most part.

rustybin

Johnny gets away with it because there's no where for Johnny to go, not because Johnny's not being hit enough.

In my day (80s) children like Johnny would cause havoc, be given enough rope to hang themselves with, then be quietly removed to a special school before embarking on a short life of crime before being locked up, or reforming. Now the hoops you've got to jump through to get a child out of school for behaviour issues is absolutely incredible. Unless they've brought a gun to school or caused someone serious injury, you're looking at a prolonged process which could take years. And regardless of the circumstances, the Government and parents will blame the school for 'not meeting the child's needs'.

Going back to the corporal punishment side of things...this term I've been verbally abused and physically threatened by a parent for putting their child in detention for not doing their homework. I dread to think what some of these parents would do to teachers if we started hitting their kids.

Cliff

And this is an important observation. Because 'back in the day' if you were disciplined at school, your parents trusted the judgement of the teachers and admonished you when you got home.

But as with all society today there is little respect authority. This gets passed on to the children and that is why we are in the mess we are in today.

krish

My parents ended up losing respect for my teachers in the 80s, when they realised they were all writing the same old sh*t in my yearly reports, and couldn't back up a lot of what they claimed at parents' evening

alan280170

So did you pass your "O" Levels or whatever they were called before leaving school?

krish

Yep, I was basically in the top group for everything, but most teachers apart from a few brilliant ones, had to knock everyone down a peg or two, but usually didn't expect to be dealing with parents more educated than themselves.

tapzilla2k

That probably irritates certain teachers no end - Chiefs in their fiefdoms and all knowing until somebody who works in a specialist field rocks up and destroys everything.

Sounds like Corbyn had a better PMQ's this week, fully focused on Academies using quotes from various Tory MP's and Lords opposed to the plans and a question from School children. Cameron didn't really answer the questions properly (can't expect that at PMQ's) and then ended things with a rather lame Mcdonalds based joke "I'm Lovin it".