Why does the West have an increasing anti-semitism issue?

justincase

From what i can gather from french reports and the people who live in france it would appear to be the islamic extremists that are the main reason for the exodus,,apparently some of the arrondissements of Paris are going through a stage of ethnic cleansing......

robel

The irony is that most French Jews were born in former French colonies such as Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco, who, once the French left and returned those countries to the natives, fled to France for safety from persecution.

dms

I have yet to petsonally meet a white European living in the uk who reported a hate crime.

I have met plenty of white europeans living in the uk who have been exposed to serious racism and hate crimes since the Brexit vote.

Just my parents who have been in the uk since the 60's (when they received a lot of abuse) who haven't experienced abuse since the early 70's can rattle off a very sad list of crimes which they wouldn't report.

A typical example is them being overheard speaking "foriegn" on a bus (which includes english with an accent) and then getting threats of violence to leave the bus because buses are for Brits.  The bus drivers always ensure it's my parents who leave the bus if anyone does. I've never been there as they live in South London and I don't.  I've also only ever heard one occasion where someone stepped in to help... a young well built black man  as it happened.

So reported crime is just that.  No one knows what level of unreported crime there is.  In the case of hate crime against people who have lived in the UK peacefully for years... I suspect it's quite high.

And from my experience the uk has become very intolerant again.

justincase

Never been particularly keen on the term Hate Crime myself,,a crime is a crime as i understand it...

Categorizing crimes this way can only be achieved if the hate part can be established as a primary motive imho

Sonic67

I have been abroad a lot and known racism directed at people because they aren't indigenous. I've known it directed at me in some cases. It's not acceptable but it happens.
I'd say a lot of that was the result of sudden uncontrolled migration. Some of it has directly affected people.

Cliff

Sad to say that is the main reason. It was labour's policies, not Brexit.
If it open door immigration overseen by Blair, Straw and Brown hadn't happened, I doubt we would have even pushed for a referendum, let alone voted to leave.

IronGiant

It was a silly comment, please let it go, thanks.

dms

I said reported.... I meant people experience it are affected by it and move on without reporting it as a crime .  I'm sure a great deal of us have experienced racism in the uk or abroad.  Personally I've always been welcomed abroad.

I've heard extremely weathly retired people sitting in big houses and with no worry in the world tell me how they had to vote Brexit to safe guard their jobs.... in one case it was from an Australian who came here a young man and made a fortune here... these people has no rational argument.... it was plain racism and if you just let them speak that came out sooner or later.

People talking about migrant influxes don't understand the big picture that people came as there were a lot of job vacancies, the strawberry pickers and NHS are prime examples.  People may resent others for having jobs but it was rarely if ever a case if a job "being taken"... the jobs would go to people who applied or wanted the work.

Racism and Brexit is just scape goating people based on some quality they don't share with "you" and usually it is the powers that be manipulating it to better themselves.  Just look at the history of anti semitism over the years to see it repeating itself.

nabby

And if that open door uncontrolled immigration had been predominantly of Jewish people, would it:
a) be ok to try to explain that reaction from people, as Sonic and Cliff appear to be doing, or
b) be wrong to say it in the way both Sonic and Cliff have put it?

Would a) be considered anti-semitic?
I'm not sure, hence I pose the question.

Tangent alert:
I get that people out there think in the way that Cliff and Sonic are putting it, but I don't agree with it.  Blackgryphon would surely say that it's down to the individual to improve themselves.  Blaming others for their own situation is not right.  Whereas I'd say it's symptomatic of the capitalist system we live in, with corporations ever-increasingly beholden to the stock markets and their investors to give greater returns on investment, and to deliver ever greater growth year-on-year.   A cleaner is paid a poor wage not because of mass immigration but because they are subcontracted to a subcontractor of a company that needs to deliver more for less, because that's what's demanded of them. And what's a company's biggest cost? Labour. And people in these types of jobs are just more vulnerable and more poorly protected or looked out for than those higher up the food chain.  

But that's a tangent and topic for another thread

Bl4ckGryph0n

In that case I won't respond despite being named by name I agree it is for another thread, there has been way to much derailment going on for what could have been a very interesting discussion.