Gay Marriage- Did Cameron think this through?

EarthRod

Euthanasia is the act of deliberately ending a person's life to relieve suffering. Assisted suicide is deliberately assisting or encouraging a person to commit suicide.

Some countries have laws which make the above legal. Could that be considered where murder was legally practised?

karkus30

Again, its a good point. Something tells me we shouldn't be simply making laws and instead should be using 'the law'. I don't hold with a law that says you have to allow, gays, Christians, black or nose pickers, politicians or any other casts or creeds into your business as customers or employees if that is what you want to do. Its that business that suffers by being a bigot as there will be plenty of businesses that will benefit as a result.

The basics of law are around property rights, in which your body and your physical property are protected from molestation. Its not surprising that we have crooked law making when the state takes people's property by cohesive force, protects failing banks to the detriment of the self same tax payer and manages to practice fraud itself.

It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to have a jury try a person for murder and sum up as euthanasia. We shouldn't need a law except thou shalt not murder except wherein a group of peers decides it isn't murder but assisted suicide.

Its as if we seek to make everything black and white. Is stealing by a destitute person punishable by prison ? An old person who takes a blanket to keep warm, someone who genuinely takes out a mortgage and falls on hard times despite showing prudence and regular payments for years, should the bank be able to foreclose when they themselves had to be bailed out !

Pecker

This argument is being painted as a 'religious' one, but I only know two people who are against it, and neither is religious, all the adult theists I know are broadly in favour.

Steve W

Cliff

I don't see any reason to take an apologetic tone for the Church which has been the mainstay of the way we live in Britain. In fact I would be quite supportive for the very reason that our laws are based on those in the bible For a couple of thousand years they have guided civilisation, helped shape our morals and clearly laid out what is good and bad and how to live a good life. The same applies to Islam.
Since the Romans this country and the rest of Europe has had all systems of government including dictators but there has been one thread that has remained and that is religious guidance. Many Islamic countries put that first and government second even today.

These laws and they way we live is not dictated by fashion and our thinking in the last 10 years. That is just a blip!  
Who is to say we have got it right? I can quite image that in 50 years time we will be looking back to today and thinking that we got some things very wrong.

EarthRod

A marriage certificate is just a piece of paper.

My wife and I lived together for two years before getting married, so we were both well aware of each others strengths, weaknesses and foibles. We have a piece of paper tucked in a drawer somewhere to say we are married. Big deal! The only reason we got married was outside social pressure otherwise we would not have bothered.

IMO the marriage ceremony and associated certificate is a just total waste of time (and money). How many people get divorced, marry again, get divorced, marry again, get devorced...

Marriage is between two people and what they make of their lives together and any issues thereof. Note: two people together.

I really do not know what the fuss is all about.

karkus30

That's it, I agree. Its another protectionist racket. I can sign all my money away with a signature. All you need is two witnesses and it can be done without pomp or ceremony.

EarthRod

I think it's a good idea to have a Will between two people who live together, especially if they have children. Tie down the assets in a mutually agreed legal fashion.

Otherwise it can become messy if someone dies.

karkus30

We did our own will for £8, its not as tight as a fully fledged will, but we aren't rich and have no kids. It was easy. If one of us dies the other receives everything. If we both die then it goes to our next of kin and except for a handful of personal items the rest is sold and divided.

EarthRod

There we go - we have solved it!

Stuff marriage (gay and straight): ditch the whole heavy load of BS and fancy dross.

... Put many people out of work though. How much does a wedding and honeymoon cost these days? Our honeymoon was in a caravan in Gt Yarmouth and we loved every moment of it!

karkus30

When you realise that most are in work doing it through protectionism. No doubt there is a union of registrars and you have to train in the art of using a quill pen that can only be bought through the union. It will be a law on the statute books because people will have to be protected from unscrupulous registrars that cannot use a quill pen properly. That's how these things go,