Gay Marriage- Did Cameron think this through?

Cliff

For Cameron tomorrow can't come soon enough!

Now the Muslim Council wants to meets the government urgently about discrimination i.e. only giving the Church of England exemption.

Farooq Murad, its secretary general, had also explicitly stated opposition and said :-

“We find it incredible that while introducing the Bill in the House, Mrs Miller could keep a straight face when offering exemption for the established Church while in the same breath claiming "fairness to be at the heart" of her proposals,”

And Cameron thought this would be any easy one to sail through and get the progressive and pink vote!

Bl4ckGryph0n

But many a Muslim called in to LBC97.3 when this subject was on and clearly 100% stated that there are no Mulsim gays

I always thought this would be a much more interesting test...I'll get the popcorn for the first Gay Muslim Wedding in a Mosque...Now if they are willing to kill over a video or a drawing or some words on paper, what's going to happen with this

Pecker

I think you'll have quite a wait. It'll happen, but maybe not in our lifetimes.

Steve W

Bl4ckGryph0n

But shouldn't that be illegal on grounds of discrimination? Just like the male/female separation?

Pecker

I think its ridiculous that they've given the CofE an opt out. Either legalise it across the board, or not at all.

The argument against legalisation is that, whilst they have an opt out (they can conduct the ceremonies, but can't be forced to), they could be forced to do so under human rights provisions.

However, with Hindus and Quakers allowed, it won't be long before a gay Anglican tests the law.

Steve W

Bl4ckGryph0n

And rightfully so in my opinion...

pragmatic

The only question should be are Gay people Human beings?  If so they have the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else, anything else is by definition discrimination.

As for people against this are both religious and non religious, there is an important distinction that you've glossed over.  Those religious people are legally to be allowed to discriminate the non religious person could be fined and/or imprisoned for the same actions.

State sanctioned discrimination within the 21st century who would have thought it? And its not even from some nutter skin heads neo nazi's, but the nice friendly COE.

karkus30

You have made me a convert. Either we have laws that support the right to bigotry, or we have laws the prevent it. We cannot have both.

You did well to get me to agree to another view point with a well argued case. Thank you.

Cliff

Very strong argument, and the kind of thing that might get a ripple of applause on Question Time.

However, I don't buy into your logic.

The church and other faiths are simply saying : marriage has to be between an woman and man.  There is no discrimination here. That is their definition and this is the way it has been for thousands of years. Who's to say they are wrong? We?  who have only accepted this variation to the meaning in the last 10 years or so?

I will agree with you that the government has got itself into a bit of a hole, and created areas of discrimination which were not there before. That is not the church's fault.

karkus30

I argued that and then realised the hypocrisy of making a law which by its very nature discriminatory. You can't make a law that stops the discrimination for one section of the community and then makes another for the minority. I don't think there is a need for none discrimination laws at all, but establishments should be forced to declare that prejudice on all their advertising and shop fronts. The church could then happily advertise themselves as openly anti-gay and watch their churches empty.