Gay Marriage- Did Cameron think this through?

kav

I didn't mention scientific evidence, just evidence, of any kind, that could stand up to scrutiny. Anything at all would do, as long as it's not reference to the bible or other religious texts, as that would lead down the same self-fulfilling argument path.

Usually though at this point the f-word is brought up, which to many automatically absolves the argument from critique...

pragmatic

It depends on your outlook somewhat, I don't accept that we live in a universe where something can be supernatural.  Everything can be explained by the scientific method given enough time.  Also logic much like gravity or the speed of light is all pervasive, this part of the bible makes no logical sense, and it seems the more you dissect it the less sense it makes.  Unless you accept that one or more of Gods attributes are untrue, or not always in effect.  

e.g. how can an infinitely loving, all powerful God create parasitic creatures, or virus like AIDS or a bacteria like anthrax or allow a chemical like Cyanide, never mind allow children to be born with crippling genetic disease which guarantees a short put continual painful life, one where communication with the outside world is significantly restricted.

But if we accept that God isn't all powerful AND benevolent, then things make a lot more sense (and the god of pre Jesus was hardly benevolent).

Others believe that we can't possibly know everything /some key divine things, I'd like to know why we couldn't but the sort of people that peddle that belief probably wouldn't be able to explain it anyway.

In other words I don't believe in superstition or the supernatural or a world that lacks logic, and using them as explanation for things (especially apparently important things) smacks of poor writing and/or lack of research.

Also your example is rubbish Pecker, try again

I think as someone mentioned this is certainly a breakout thread, although beyond discussing the topic it'll probably turn into a Sonic vs. TB slagging match, sadly.

P.S. Also why does God not love amputees?  I believe there has never been a miracle were a limb has ever grown back.

kav

Because the god(s) of manmade religions don't exist, and even if they do, it's impossible for us to know their minds, or how they operate.

EarthRod

This thread is no longer about gay marriages then?

I think the best bit is "why does God not love amputees?"

Wonderful stuff!

Pecker

I'm not sure how helpful to the discussion it is to say "I've never seen a leg grow back, so God doesn't exist".

We can go down that route if you like, but bottom line is, if any God did exist, then such 'proofs' would probably be counter-productive to most theories if why He put us here.

Steve W

pragmatic

Sorry took this majorly off topic!

Not sure what you mean Pecker, is another topic though.

kav

Sorry for the off topic. Marriage is marriage as far as I'm concerned, the only requirement is two people who want to make that commitment to one another. Society shouldn't prevent that, it should be something available to all couples. Though of course if the various religions don't want to allow certain forms of marriage, that's up to them - any exclusionary practices on their part will only show them up for how out of touch they are.

EarthRod

Sums it up in a nutshell!





However......

Pecker

Fair enough, but the key phrase here is 'as far as I'm concerned'.

We should be looking for a solution that's fair, equitable, just, and as conducive to harmony and peace in society as possible, not one which fits a definition of one group of people.

I do not support the 'anti' brigade on this one, but I'm not blinkered enough to ignore the fact that the word marriage has meant two people of the opposite sexy for the entirety of the word's existence. Just because the 'opposite sex' bit no longer matters to you 'as far as your concerned' is neither here nor there.

Once again you mention religion. Once again it needs pointing out that there are religious people who support thus and non-religious who are against it.

Steve W

Bl4ckGryph0n

Well, I think we'll know the true answer tomorrow. Some of us will find out who'll get to the gates and not.