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Bl4ckGryph0n

Government control of migration acts against market forces.

It is the state involving itself in the recruitment decisions of companies.

fluxo

Nope.

In this case it would be the government removing a distortion of market forces that favours those born in the EU.

Companies will be able to select based solely on the best fit for the job, without having to consider nationality if they are from outside the UK.

IronGiant

They won’t be able to do that. They will be able to select government approved candidates, e.g., those paid above the salary threshold.

If companies would be able to do what you say, then why are so many of their representatives pleading with the government to loosen the restrictions? Obviously, they think their freedom to choose candidates will be diminished.

The proposed system is all about government meddling and it is, at the very least, based on the conceit that it’s  government that knows best, that it is for the state to choose who can and will benefit the country.

It’s a conceit because no government could possess the level of wisdom necessary to make these decisions, let alone practically implement them. We’re supposed to accept that a government that stuffs up things on a daily basis can somehow predict what each of thousands of businesses ought to have to function. It’s pure fantasy. I mean, ministers already can’t agree how their cobbled together system of ad hoc rules should work.

weaviemx5

You serious misunderstand what the current and proposed systems are. There will need to continue to be a feedback loop from businesses to government on what the needs are and expected future needs. These systems are working well in many other countries. It really isn’t rocket science.

Bl4ckGryph0n

I understand that for the very largest businesses but how about the many thousands of smaller businesses that require workers, do they all feedback directly through a Government Department? (That’s a question as I don’t know).

Also, I’m not sure if it’s still being progressed, but the last I heard from Javid was that his proposal to restrict freedom of movements for EU Nationals was to implement a 12 month access system whereby they’re free to work in the U.K. for 12 months then have to leave and wait 12 months before returning again. If implemented, that strikes me as a perfect situation for seasonal/short term workers to continue coming to the UK (especially for the likes of Amazon with zero hours contracts) as they have minimal expectations of actually staying long term so can simply work for 12 months and send their money home.  There’s also an assumption that the U.K. Government will actually enforce the 12 month limit and ensure people leave the U.K. after that time.

fluxo

Smaller businesses have trade organisations that provide representation. For example I recall a situation when I was working for the government when there was a shortish of Bangladeshi chefs. The system got adjusted following consultation.

Bl4ckGryph0n

Yes, it’s not rocket science. Rocket science is not cobblers!

Businesses are already complaining, but suppose, for the sake of argument, they get access to any staff they want. Well, then there’d be little point in having an immigration system.

Any meaningful immigration system will damage businesses and restrict markets. That’s, in part, why this is being done. Some people want to limit migrants to protect UK workers from competition. Necessarily that restricts the pool of employees businesses have access to. You can ague that it’s worth it, but I don’t think you can have it both ways and pretend the controls will have no impact on the market whilst boosting pay (for example).

fluxo

I thought it was 12 months to find work...  but happy to be corrected.

Bl4ckGryph0n

I’d read it as 12 months to work (without any requirement to prove they’re coming for a specific job) but again, it was a summary I saw so there may be more to it.

weaviemx5

Can you explain why any meaningful immigration system damages business? I can see that a not fit for purpose system may be able to constrain it, but why would anyone want a not fit for purpose system?