Scottish IndyRef2 - Autumn 2020

Bl4ckGryph0n

I think there will be the opportunity to contribute after the vote if the people opt for independence. It’s an alien concept to you Squiffy as Westminster is different but in Scotland politics are generally done in consensus with others due to the STV system.

Rasczak

But what about the others? Shouldn't there be some compromise? And what about a second vote on it?

Really interesting, but not surprising to see the double standards being applied.

Bl4ckGryph0n

No double standards however desperate you are to point to them. I think the first challenge is to have the vote. The second is for the nationalists to win and, if they do, the third will be to find a consensus across Holyrood on the way forward. What that path would be will be determined by the 2021 elections. A referendum on a constitution may well be required/desired and it has been mentioned in the past.

Rasczak

You had a vote only a few years back...I guess that wasn't the correct answer either...

nabby

Already covered above. Holyrood elections have been held since with over 50% of the vote going to parties touting independence. Coupled with that the former No! side is split over the EU.

EarthRod

But that wasn't a referendum. You've already had a referendum. Didn't you say the other day that they are doing a good job. So how can you attribute that all those who voted for such parties voted for them because of wanting independence. Gosh we've had to read that from you for the last two days in relation to Brexit. Yet now all of a sudden none of that is relevant...Hmmm

Sonic67

My position on both is identical. What is no longer relevant?

Rasczak

A few points:

Why are people on here feigning outrage that an SNP leader of an SNP Scottish Government is calling for another independence referendum?  It's their raison d'être.  And the last election in Scotland gave them this opportunity.  At no point yet has anyone here or otherwise said holding the referendum is a done deal.

Also, why compare it to the 2017 general election result, where it seems leave voters want to claim the mandate to leave based on the result but at the same time bury their heads in the sand over being culpable for voting in a government led by a Remainer (their words, not mine)?  Anyone who voted Tory in that election is culpable for the mess we're in re: Brexit as they knew who and what they voted for and somehow expected a leopard to change its spots.

Finally, when the Scots had their last referendum they were made a whole bunch of promises in the run up to that election by the coalition government and other Westminster politicians over what they would gain by voting no to independence.  I don't know with 100% certainty but I don't believe many, if any, have been granted to Scotland since that referendum.  So they have as much right to feel aggrieved at being let down by Westminster elite as anyone else feeling the same over Brexit. IMO.

maddy

A second independence referendum might give roughly the same results as the first independence referendum.

...But then again it might not.

If the second referendum results are for independence, will there be a third independence referendum?

weaviemx5

Independence referendum and further powers - Help :                                    Scottish Parliament

Following the referendum on Scottish independence on 18 September 2014, a process is underway to transfer further powers to the Scottish Parliament in areas such as taxation, welfare and elections to the Scottish Parliament.

On 19 September 2014, Lord Smith of Kelvin was asked by the Prime Minister to oversee the process of engagement on further devolution for Scotland. Lord Smith published his recommendations for devolving more powers to the Scottish Parliament on 27 November 2014. More information is available on the Smith Commission website.

On 22 January 2015, the UK Government published its proposals in the form of draft clauses for a bill to transfer additional powers. A research briefing (SB 15-16) by the Scottish Parliament Information Centre provides background information on the draft clauses and discusses some of the issues arising from them.

The UK Government introduced the Scotland Bill in the UK Parliament on 28 May 2015. The Devolution (Further Powers) Committee produced a short guide (2.04MB pdf) to devolved and reserved powers and to the proposals for further powers in the Scotland Bill 2015-16.

On 23 March 2016, the Scotland Act 2016 received Royal Assent and became law.

Details of the key powers of the Scottish Parliament since 1999 are set out in a table (115KB pdf). This includes a note of powers transferred through the Scotland Act 2016.