Scottish IndyRef2 - Autumn 2020

Rasczak

Well, this is likely to factor in people's thoughts when IndyRef2 comes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cameron sought Queen's help during Scottish vote                                                                                                        The ex-PM spoke to royal officials about her "raising an eyebrow" at the prospect of independence.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                www.bbc.co.uk                                                                               
So much for a 'non-political' monarch.  

On a related note it is amazing how, years after leaving politics, Cameron is still making a mess.

Rasczak

See?

One hint of the Queen involved in politics and here you are. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Very lucky that she didn't actually do anything to intervene isn't it?

Rasczak

She did intervene though - I am sure you remember her comments - but the key is we now have confirmation that she was used against the Yes! side at the request of the Prime Minister.

As for "hypocrisy", that is of course complete nonsense. The Queen should be criticised for her role and exercise of authority.

Rasczak

No we don't. She didn't do anything. If you think she did, then source.

It is complete nonsense from you. She should have used political judgement over proroguing according to you, but the first sniff that she might have been involved in indyref (even though she wasn't) and here you are complaining.

Exactly as I said you would do in the discussion on prorogation.

Rasczak

You are conflating two separate and distinct points.
1. Whether we should have a constitutional monarchy.
2. The performance of the Queen in exercising her political power.

Point 1 is not relevant to this thread.  Point 2 is hugely important now we know the Queen's comments in relation to the Scottish Referendum were promoted by the Prime Minister and therefore distinctly political.  Such an intervention was ill-judged and deeply inappropriate.  I suspect for IndyRef2, safeguards will be required to prevent a re-occurence.

ashenfie

Which comments? What's your source for what she did?

Hypocrisy doesn't get any more blatant then asking for her to act politically in one case, then criticising her for (not) doing so in another.

Solomon Grundy

Are you not capable of Googling?  Her intervention is very easy to find...as is the anger by Yes! voters.

The Queen does act politically - the Scottish referendum case in point - so is obviously open to criticism about her exercise of that power.  I would love nothing more than an elected head of state, but as the UK is not capable of that at present I just want the current monarchy to be a little bit better even if she cannot currently be held accountable.  Ultimately though, the key issue is not to pick over the failures of the past, it is about making sure it doesn't happen again.  And so I would hope that any IndyRef2 bill will legislate to prevent the monarch's interaction in future votes.

raduv1

I'm perfectly capable of googling.

I can't find any evidence of her politically interfering with indyref.

So I'm asking you to back to your claim.

Are you going to back it up, or just deflect the question again? I know which one my money is on.

kav

Well, if you are not capable of finding it yourself, read this thread:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Scottish Independence = no £                                                                                                        It will be revealed tomorrow by all 3 major parties that if the Scottish decide they want to be independent they will have to do so without sterling. That leaves them with two options, either create their own currency or adopt the euro. I very much doubt they can create their own currency so...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                www.avforums.com                                                                               
It would be much quicker to learn how to use Google though or even listen to today's news!

richp007

I've read Google. All I can find is a private conversation where she told someone that she hoped people would think about the future before voting.

Is that it? That's the unconstitutional interference you are so incensed about? A totally neutral remark to one person?

Incidentally, you didn't seem so upset in post #4139 in that thread you linked.