What is the definition of ‘the will of the people’?

FireCrackerJim

MEPs cannot propose laws.

fluxo

Can you show me in which manifesto the proposal for the EU army is in and how I vote against it? Or the new laws about Internet copyright? Or cars with built in speed limiters?

Pacifico

lol meps have no real power what germany wants germany gets

fluxo

No, but they pass them.

Pacifico

well it depends what you want to use them for - as a means of generating content for news media they are pretty good.

As an indication of how the electorate would vote though...

Sonic67

You don't remember? Wow. Well you do have "foggy memory."

1. Shy Tory factor - Wikipedia

The general elections held in 1992 and 2015 are examples where it has dramatically affected the overall result, but has also been discussed in other elections where the Conservatives did unexpectedly well. It has also been applied to the success of the Republican Party in the United States.[1]

2. Trump.

Why polls can be wrong

3. 2017 General Election.

How almost all the pollsters got it wrong... again

4. EU referendum. Most predicted a Remain win.

Why were the polls wrong again in 2016?

In June, the British Polling Council reported its analysis of the final EU referendum polls published by seven member companies. No company correctly forecast the actual result, although "in three cases the result was within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus three points. In one case Leave was correctly estimated to be ahead. In the four remaining cases, however, support for Remain was clearly overestimated".

"This is obviously a disappointing result for the pollsters, and for the BPC, especially because every single poll, even those within sampling error, overstated the Remain vote share."

5. If polls were accurate we wouldn't have the actual vote.

6. You might find sometimes some polls were accurate, after the event. Problem is no one knows which ones are until we have had the actual vote.

fluxo

That’s a pretty rubbish argument, Sonic.

You can’t select out cases like that. That doesn’t show that an average poll is inaccurate. It merely shows that you can find some that are.

Pacifico

Well in the Referendum all of the poll of polls which collect and average the results of opinion polls across different companies got the result wrong.

How about just accept the polling was wrong and move on?

fluxo

Sonic’s claim was that polls are “consistently wrong”. That’s a fair bit stronger than “sometimes wrong”.

Pacifico

I think you are splitting hairs there. The majority of individual polls were wrong and all of the poll of polls were wrong.

So was the polling consistently wrong or just sometimes wrong?