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What Brexit Deal would be acceptable to you?

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25-11-2019 22:02:38 Mobile | Show all posts
Merkel's not a shy girl. Rammed that zucchini straight down.  How did Scultz ever stand a chance. But yes, having already been on the EU gravy train would have more tricks up his sleeve regarding Brexit.

Still haven't bought myself to look watch May's speech yet. Judging by the comments on here i think i would get triggered super hard. Only the Mogg or Boris can save us now should they ever lead the party.
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25-11-2019 22:02:38 Mobile | Show all posts
There's nothing to watch. She could have just said "I've given in to Hammond and Rudd, there will be a 2 year "transitional" period during which eff all will change, and then at the end of it, we will decide to make it permanent"

I forsee trouble ahead......
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25-11-2019 22:02:38 Mobile | Show all posts
The EU must have got to her and paid her off.
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25-11-2019 22:02:38 Mobile | Show all posts
Nah, I think she's just more scared of Hammond than she is of Boris.
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25-11-2019 22:02:39 Mobile | Show all posts
There will be some Tories who want to stay in the Single Market by whatever means necessary. And there is a distinct difference between ardent Brexiteers and those like Anna Soubry who acknowledges that we are leaving, but doesn't want the Tory Party to do it in a reckless way i.e. destroy their brand of fiscal responsibility. The splits over Europe in the Conservative Party haven't really changed all that much since the 90's. There will be certain moments in the Brexit process where the Tories could split. We are early into the process, the third reading of the repeal bill will probably be a lot tougher than the first, but I expect it will pass with significant concessions from Government to get it through both houses of Parliament.

Feed the various opinion polls into the electoral calculator tools and you'll see Corbyn's either on course to be the leader of the biggest party or a leader with a slim majority. I did see a poll the other day that shows he's made a small inroad into the older voter demographic.

If Brexit goes spectacularly wrong, we'd likely see both Labour and Tory Parties breaking down entirely and new parties emerging. The Party Brands might be too damaged, beware of what happened to the Liberal Party of old.  

One day, the Conservatives will do the same in regards to Thatcher. They've whipped the Thatcherite horse for all it's worth now. They need to come up with new ideas and a new offer for people if they want to remain relevant. It seems we are shifting from the centre right to the centre left.

If we were in ordinary times, you'd be correct. We are not, nobody really knows how Brexit is going to play out. It could be fine and the status quo continues or Politics as we know it may break down.

You go where the Party membership is and where the votes are. The divide over Brexit is between the Young and the Old.

It doesn't really, if he's anything he's a stalking horse candidate. That's how these Tory contests go, unless a leader resigns. If they did get Rees-Mogg as leader ? I doubt he'd be popular for very long once people start looking at his character in depth. He'd probably play very badly against Corbyn's man of the people act. I would say the Tories are where they were before Thatcher dragged them along kicking and screaming into power - Rudderless and policies that don't really inspire people all that much.

The only viable Tory Leader I can see is Ruth Davidson, but as she's not an MP she's out of the picture. Unless she's parachuted into a safe seat.
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25-11-2019 22:02:39 Mobile | Show all posts
Complete bull. Sourbry, Clarke, Morgan, Grieve et al do not want to leave, and have never accepted the vote. The only thing that keeps them on board though is their fear of Corbyn.
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25-11-2019 22:02:39 Mobile | Show all posts
All I can say there is I read an article the other day in which it was stated that the UK was, as I mentioned, one of only three net contributors.  If that was wrong, then I apologise for that, but would have to say that it doesn't change anything else I said in my post.

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25-11-2019 22:02:39 Mobile | Show all posts
Your post ws fine but there is a common misconception regarding net contributors.  Your point still stands if it says The UK is one of the 3 biggest net contributors for example.  
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 Author| 25-11-2019 22:02:40 Mobile | Show all posts
In a TV interview today, Corbyn actually considered the transition period could be within 10 years!
My goodness... is he serious about leaving?

Corbyn actually says that Labour will keep us within the Single market and Customs union.

Caroline Flint, who seems rather sensible, says that is not possible if we are leaving.
So are labour the party that will revoke the referendum?
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25-11-2019 22:02:40 Mobile | Show all posts
Labour - more Brexit positions than the Karma Sutra.
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