Scottish IndyRef2 - Autumn 2020

raduv1

Interesting developments in the last few weeks on Scottish Independence.  A number of high profile SNP politicians are mooting that, if consent for IndyRef2 is not granted by Westminster, then the next Holyrood elections could be used as a "mandate for independence".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                SNP election win 'could be independence mandate'                                                                                                        A senior SNP MSP says the party could negotiate Scottish independence without another referendum being held.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                www.bbc.co.uk                                                                               
It seems quite likely that the independence parties (SNP and Greens) will once again secure a majority especially with the Brexit negotiations looking like Northern Ireland will reap extensive benefits that will be denied to Scotland.  It looks like Westminster might be faced with a stark choice in 2020/2021.

richp007

I think you hit the nail on the head. While there is a chance to get something for nothing we will always have talks.

Good news is that as thing stand no deal = no payout, Hard boarder or not makes no difference to anyone other than the EU.

Making northern island effectively part of the EU would be a total nightmare for them as it make Ireland a total fraudster heaven. Ship stuff to northern island walk a cross the board at night, job is a golden.

`A total insult to anyone wanting to stay within the EU. It shows further show Scot's could do with another party as the SNP wastes so much money on Independence while telling everyone it's spending the money on the NHS, but does other effective to stay within the EU.

raduv1

I say let them have it. It will be good for the rest of the UK to have Scotland as an independent neighbour...and without the Scottish remain votes for Brexit the decision to leave the EU is clearer and helps the conservative government win a majority. I don't know why we argue so hard to keep Scotland as part of the UK.

kav

Agreed, they should go. England will be better off.

I think the proposed timing is interesting.

Brexit makes everything much harder for Scotland. Whatever sea border things are being applied for NI cannot apply to Scotland. If England is out of the EU single market and customs union, then Scotland has to find a way to deal with this over a land border.

Good luck to them with that.

IronGiant

Why is Brexit even a thing in regards to Scottish independence ! SNPs mandate is Scottish independence and not dependent on the UK staying in the EU . A WA helps them achieve such but even if we remain the SNP wants Scottish  independence from the UK and more so Westminster .

As such for myself , anything SNP / Brexit related should be discounted unless they were to say we will remain in the union if the UL remains in the EU.

richp007

It's because a huge element of the push to remain in the UK in the original Indyref was about how difficult it would be for Scotland to join the EU in the event of voting for independence (it was incidentally a matter gleefully flagged repeatedly by many of this forum's Brexit supporters).

It absolutely influenced many people in how they chose to vote in the independence vote. Many Scots felt cheated when after voting to remain in the UK at the rUK's behest, two years later the UK pulled the rug from under them by voting for them to leave the EU. Given such a significant change in the political landscape, lots of people now believe that those who voted against independence previously for the above reasons may now vote for it, because why the hell not, it can't be any worse than Brexit.

IronGiant

Some Brexiter's also very quick to forget that over 1m in Scotland voted to leave the EU as well. Which helped the Leave vote over the line in the end.

So when you see some of the comments that get posted in here about Scotland, it's pretty sad to be honest. But it doesn't surprise me. Given the language of the last 3 years.