“Whether he is racist or not I don't know and don't care personally...seems like lots of people consider a view opposing their own as just cause for incarcerating someone ( Nelson Mandela was convicted of terrorism ,now their are statues of him)
Further offenses are uncovered later that is true so on that thinking the police can arrest someone for any reason they deem fit on the hope of being able to make a conviction for something else later( sounds like proper justice to me )...
The police who arrested him ( and yes I have just watched the footage) we're either sent out to arrest him,which means he should have been arrested for contempt of court or they decided of their own backs that he was committing a breach of the peace ( which was what he was arrested for)..
You are right there is nothing unusual about this case really the judiciary and police are a joke,,he's committing a crime outside a court for quite some time ( hour approx) and the plebs can't even work out what crime he is committing or they KNOWINGLY let him do iif
you lot keep kidding yourselves that the right wing are all dim mindless boneheads,, ....
Will not respond any more about this matter before I suffer any innuendo about being a racist or whatever...
I'm out”
@justincase
Whilst it’s probably best in another thread, you do seem to be taking the arrest of Yaxley-Lennon quite badly and have a pretty negative view of the Police/Legal System at the same time?Do you think it’s unfair that someone should be tried for contempt of court once and be given a suspended sentence then commit the exact same offence during the suspended period and therefore be issued the punishment that they knew was likely and plead guilty to?It appears to be standard legal practice and maybe if he wasn’t trying to be a martyr to his followers he would have considered not doing it?
You’ve already stated that you don’t know about his political position yet you’re also comparing him to Nelson Mandela?Nobody is calling you a racist, it’s Robinson who fits that’s title.
@justincaseI'mjust having a discussion, no one is throwing accusations of racism at you. As for all the right wing being dim witted boneheads, that's also not been said either.
It may help if you discuss what people are actually saying, it makes things easier; if you decide you aren't out.
To be fair, I’ve probably painted the social media right wing, Poppy-commandeering, George cross-abusing, #FreeTommy-loving, like and sharing,idiotic groups as a bit thick.Maybe I haven’t seen the intelligent ones yet?
One last time...
My point was about the authorities making a balls up of this....I doubt anyone will respond about the arrest,the fact he was outside the court for approximately an hour,talking to police during that time...he got 13 months,fair enough,,,that's the game he played and that's the price he paid ....
Why was he not arrested when the defendants went in to the court,,the police watched him filming them or were they not aware of the reporting restrictions...
Yes I do have a negative outlook on the police and legal system...you only have to look at the most recent examples of the cps in collusion with the police withholding evidence in a desperate attempt to get a conviction in rape cases and the numerous other similar criminal attempts to just get anyone for a crime....
Admittedly I shouldn,t have mentioned Mandela and it was certainly no comparison but was trying to get my point across but what I said about him is fact
Anyway enough of my ranting
Byr
I totally agree with you. Can't understand why Mr Robinson, (well known thug) attracts so much attention. He got sentenced. Did he kill any one? I certainly don't follow what he gets up to as closely as some do on here. Why not go OT over Adjam Choudary (well known Englishman soon to be released) or another Red Herring???
---Older people are probably less positive because they know how things used to be and can see a downward trend in certain important areas- schools, housing, overcrowding, doctor appointments, hospitals A&E closures etc. --
For me, there are some glaringly obvious reasons why there are differences in both the amount of pride and the perceptions of past/present and future UK prospects between the young and old.
Firstly, there is the universal effects of living, being young and growing older:
a) young people have little true experience of the comparative pits falls and advantages they face in comparison to both to what came before and also relative to the more established adults with families, mortgages and careers at present.
b) young people are generally looking to make their mark on the world, have all the energy and none of the responsibilities that makes it seem possible.
c) old people are young people who remember what it was like when they were full of energy and none of the responsibilities, but have had 40years of jobs, kids, mortgages and other bloody people draining the life out of them.(Slightly tongue in cheek, but still pretty true data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
Secondly, time and place:
The amount of change in pace of life, technology, information and society has been historically accelerating since time began.
Each successive generation by and large experiences change through out their lives at slightly increasing rates relative to the previous ones.
Essentially, ideas, inventions and the social changes they drive have iterativaly increased the environment that helps generate new ideas and inventions, ever increasing the ability to be more efficient and effective at coming up with further ideas.
That started off very slowly and took many generations to have any noticeble effects.
However, at some point the rate of change started fall within the life span of the average human, meaning that there was a potential for society and how we view the world to change within a persons lifetime.
Jump forwards to the industrial revolution and the pace of change was begining to reach a point where you could expect dramatic changes within your lifetime rather than not.
After world war II and we were first able to build a working transistor (invented in the 1920's but not possible to actually make until the 1950's).
That ushering in an changed in the rate of progress that has led to not just changes in a life time, but changes between generations.
People alive today have and will experience at least several dramatic changes in the world, how we view it and our societies as well as our selves and our place within them.
There are of course other factors that have effected the rate of change, including events and ideas that have caused the rates of change to temporarily increase, decrease or even jump backwards such as world wars, plagues, ideologies and natural disasters.
However, they are merely isolated blips in the relatively smooth exponential rate of change.
Young people look forwards to the future because for them, change hasn't yet thrown them a curve ball to confuse and destabelise their understanding of the world - and they want to be part of changes to leave their mark.
Old people have experienced changes for the better or worse, but have nostalgia for the time when everything was simple, made sense and was exciting as a youth.
Some changes are good, some bad and some neutral, but it is more a case of our ability as a species and as individuals, to cope with changes that effects our perceptions than the actual benefits of the change itself.
I haven’t mentioned Anjem Choudry because he doesn’t prance around with a St George flag or Union Jack proffessing his Englishness.Your thread was specifically referencing young people no longer being proud of being English and my point with Robinson was that he’s the most vocal ‘patriot’ at the moment and goes some way to explain why decent members of society want to distance themselves from his beliefs and attitudes.
As sad as it is, the idea of shouting about being proud of being English was hijacked by football hooligans first and now social media ‘patriots’ so it’s become a poisoned chalice to anyone else.
The article I linked explained the full process.Robinson was initially asked to stop filming by the court employees themselves, which he ignored. After carrying on regardless, the Police became involved and arrested him for breach of the peace. After the judge presiding over the case he was trying to disrupt was informed of his actions outside, they called for him and changed the charge to contempt of court and he was duly processed as per his suspended sentence.
There was no conspiracy or underhand collusion, he brought it on himself and knew what he was doing to deliberately rile up his base.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about with the CPS/Police hiding evidence to convict people though?
Really
Evidence withheld in 47 sex assault cases
Yes, really.I hadn't seen that article yesterday or read about it at all but thanks for sharing it.Hopefully the failings will get fully investigated and dealt with.This paragraph from the CPS suggests the cases would have been stopped anyway but obviously that's just assumption;
"The report said that it believed the cases stopped as a result of the review would have been stopped before trial through the usual review process, but the investigation brought those decisions forward."