The Adverse Weather thread.

MikeTV

Is it just adverse weather, or will any extreme weather do? Because I'd like to make a request for an indian summer, please? Or is it too late for that?

johntheexpat

I started this thread with a view to keeping a note of record breaking weather events.  I figured that nobody is impressed by individual record breaking events, but when presented with a record number of record breaking events, then even the most hardened Luddite would have to sit up and take notice.
ie The climate changes, but if it changes faster than ever before, then argue with that!

MikeTV

I think our American cousins are having a spot of weather at the moment. This is what Bill Maher tweeted:

"Scientists say Hurricane Sandy likely linked to record Arctic Sea [Ice] loss this yr but **** them they're just scientists what does the bible say?"

sidicks

Any correlation between man-made(up) climate change and hurricanes?

No, i don't think so...

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e27/EatGreensDaily/hurricane_frequency_usa.png

johntheexpat

Is there any study produced that says the effects of MMGW will be noticeable in the next few years?  No, I don't think so.

So if the scientists say we won't really begin to see the effects of MMGW for years yet, how can there be any correlation?

If we are beginning to see the effects of MMGW already, then we really are screwed.  The climate probably is changing naturally, like it does and like nobody has ever denied it does.  The concern is that mankinds actions may accelerate the rate of change.

So, no correlation yet.  No correlation for years to come.  Unless its much worse that previously thought.

But if its years away, why worry?  Let the next generation deal with it.  It'll take their minds off debt, decline, pollution, depleted resources and all the other crap we have already lined up for them.

johntheexpat

Its been reported from meteoFrance that October just gone was the wettest month France has ever recorded.  Not just the wettest October, not just in some areas, but the wettest month ever, averaged across France.

Eau dear.

johntheexpat

Wettest year on record for England and still more rain, and wind, to come - Telegraph

A record!  

EarthRod

Why the clapping hands? Why are you so pleased about severe weather?

The river Thames froze over completely many years ago, in fact it was frozen so deeply people lit fires on it and skated round the fires.

In the 1950s a very high tide, severe winds and a big storm caused major flooding over most of East Anglia and a number of people died. Yup - tidy up and move on.

Funny how people just get on with their lives and don't make a fuss about the weather, just accept it and carry on.

johntheexpat

Because this thread is all about record breaking weather and people normally acknowledge records being broken.  Now, obviously in the context of Climate Change a more appropriate smiley would be one where the icon is stroking his/her chin and nodding sagely.  But we don't have one of those, so we get clapping hands.

Unless of course you think there is one that is more appropriate and then I will use that.

So, just to re-iterate what this thread is about, nobody is going to notice a gradual change in average temperatures.  Like I said above, what really is the difference between 16C and 18C in Dec?  But one of the more insidious effects of this change is a much more noticeable swing between extremes.  In other words, more record breaking weather.  So, instead of keeping an eye on the temperature, it may well be more appropriate to keep an eye on extremes, ie record breaking weather, as an indicator of Climate Change.

The other thing is that records have always been there to be broken.  Coupled that with less accurate records in the past and I feel that if we can show a record number of weather records are being broken, then perhaps some of the more cynical members out there may actually start to quietly acknowledge that there may be some truth in the science, afterall.

EarthRod

Ah, right. Clapping hands about breaking records it is.

I thought records were to do with data gathering, statistics, models and trends.

Where does the truth in science come in?