Have Public Sector cuts now gone to far?

Rasczak

The increment is different from a pay rise - it is a reflection of remuneration for experience. And its not even remotely limited to the public sector. A private employer may call it something else but any employer worth working for will conduct an annual pay review that takes into the extra experience you bring to the party after an extra 12 months service. That then gets rolled into a general pay rise to keep the job competitively ranged.

Faust

Then you will know that neither of these types of increase have been paid to PS workers for many years now. The information is available online through government press releases etc.

Faust

Name one PS job type that has had no payrise whatsoever since 2010.

Faust

I already have, read back a few posts.

nheather

Items such as this are easy to find.  In relation to the 1% cap I can tell you that many workers have not even received this as it depends where they are on their particular pay scale.


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Faust

The only thing I saw mentioned as anything close to a specific job is those at hmrc / dwp.

Name a specific job.

Faust

I really don't begrudge public sectors workers their increments, in most cases they are well deserved.

I just get slightly miffed when they go on about pay freezes when they are still getting increments, because my experience in the private sector, a pay feeze means 0% regardless of how much the workers' experience has increased.

Cheers,

Nigel

Faust

This has already been covered. Many senior figures actually got bonous's plus a pay increase. Normal PS workers in the main got nothing except those on the lowest grades E.
Classic demonstration of how percentage figures can mask the true picture.

BTW my neighbour has worked for HMRC for the last 27 years.  I can quote this job to you with confidence as she complains bitterly to us about pay.  Her last pay rise was in 2009, it's now 2017 and yes she has proved this to me.

Toko Black

While it is a slightly different argument from the comparison of private to public sector pay rises, it should be noted that although the public sector has had a combination of increases and freezes over the period of 2009 - 2016/2017, in real terms, the public sector average is -12.67%.
That is to say that while we call any increment in wages a 'rise', it is not really a rise unless it is more than the rate of inflation/cost of living.
One can argue about the the fairness or lack thereof in the differences of public and private pay with regards to market forces, in real terms, your average public sector employee is earning only 88.31% the value of what they did 7yrs ago.
So essentially, you can't say that your average public sector employee is better off than they were, only that they were marginally less worse off in comparison to the average private sector employee.

nheather

I still struggle with the concept that a unionised workforce has had neither inflationary nor  incremental pay increases for six years.

If we were talking about some years where the inflationary increase was frozen I could believe that (struggle with six years running)  but I can't imagine how they would have witheld increments without being in breach of contract.

I appreciate people on here on swearing that it happened, I haven't been ignorring that, I'm just struggling with the concept of a unions that have been quick to call action for lessor things have stould by and simply observed a breach of contract for six years running.

Cheers,

Nigel