Free speech and opinion- not tolerated today?

Just Old

You make some very good points here.
The wider view could also be that people are fed up with it all and really don't know what alternative there is to change things.
While you explain  reasons, the alternatives are still being sought.
But we still stick to the same methods, while the disenchanted fragment it into smaller groupings of alternative ideologies.
People used to know their place in society, because of the system.
In some respects that's been taken away from them, and to many people it creates a problem for them not being able to slot in somewhere they feel comfortable with.
While the Victorian age gave rise to terraced house communities, it also had the next level down. The work house.
I'm not advocating this as an alternative all I'm saying is people, in general like to know where they fit in, which today isn't very clear.
We have created a single society. So the need for skills has all but been done away with because manufacturing is non existent in comparison with other countries.
Levels of society once transparent have all been categorised as one.
We are all equal, or so they expect us to believe.
Hammonds give away appeasing the poorer people to feel wanted in our,'We care for you all society' yesterday.
Keep them happy, that's the moto.
Employees generally want to have a structured agenda for their daily work based on the same principal. Although it can be classed as routine, the majority of employees feel comfortable with that.
So are people rebelling because of not knowing where they fit in, or  as You say has the wider implications of social media had influences?
Don't forget that a generation of kids were sent to university with the promise of work. We are talking a lot of disgruntled adults now, feeling angry and being betrayed in the system, unable to fit in.
Yet on the other hand we have Gilmores, pink Floyd, son rebelling openly like so many rich kids today, not satisfied with the way things are going in their life.
I doubt there will ever be a solution.
What do you instill in your children today? Hard work? An apprenticeship, university?
Do you guide them with the knowledge you have amassed during your life time, or leave them to the system that is supposed to be the up to date model, to deliver their work future  in today's world.
How many schemes have we seen addressing youth unemployment?
While your considered just an old fart that hasn't moved on with the times and, doesnt understand the world today?
Maybe your assessment  historical cock ups will again be repeated.
In today's world I wouldn't bet on it.
History is being re written and it will be interesting, if not disturbing times ahead.

Just Old

Can you prosecute against a poster on here out of interest?
Or would political forums be exempt in the way you suggested in your last post?

krish

Blimey, what did Alan and I miss here last night?!!!

Member 581642

Ok rang them and seems they are somewhere between a helpline and a facilitator of further action.

If the concern is regarding a child then they would not get involved and it should be reported to the LA unless it was immediate concern then it should be reported to the police

If the matter concerned a school, teacher, governor or similar then they would need full details of the allegation and then investigate if they thought the matter required further investigation.
Depending on the severity of the results of that investigation they would look to call in OFsted, seek to have an individual barred from the school  (not sure if that covers guest speakers) or contact the Police or CPS.

They are sending me further literature by email

IronGiant

No deletions and no edits of any consequence that I'm aware of, in this thread anyway

nabby

Well just like people think their problems are to do with immigration, I think it's all about brown people. It's not about facts, it's all about perceptions and feelings

After all, regarding the "proscribed PC list", as you put it, this focusses on extremism and the prevent strategy, something designed in the main to look at brown people and their religions. It's why it was brought in originally.
As for suspected abuse, in light of so many scandals recently, do you not think such things should be reported? Today we're hearing about abuse of young footballers in the 70s and 80s. You seem to be saying don't speak out for fear of being branded yet unless people speak out abuse continues. How would you square the circle you seem to think exists?

nabby

You've got us all intrigued now. Can you intimate to any level what it was you saw posted?

Cliff

Of course the natural reaction to all these press stories is that even if we have the slightest suspicion, it has to be reported.
Now our British justice system, has been developed over 100s of years so that at least you get properly represented. You are innocent until proved guilty. Then there is a proper trial.

What we are seeing now, especially in our schools is that teachers, are reporting because of 'concerns'. Innocent children - yes muslims as well, can be on a watch list even though  they are not likely to be extremist. There are no checks and balances. No need for a charge of guilty. You are just on the list. And you could be watched for years. Is that what you want in Britain?

Just Old

And suicide rates due to bullying in school because of social media increase.
We are seeing a way of interaction of the true nature of the animal instinct, and primitive hunting DNA being used in today's society. Because they can get away with it?

Just Old

I believe you were snoring in front of the TV watching, Britain's got talent?
And before you ban me....that was a political, not meant to offend joke, and wasn't necessarily aimed at yourself.
Can't be too sure on here these days old boy!