Protesters complaining of assault

IronGiant

If they gatecrashed a private function and got turfed out I'd wonder why they expected anything different.  As I deeply care about them I would have advised them not to be so fudging stupid as to go,.

richp007

I expect it will be fine of course.

The reality is he's just an individual with no training, attempting a restraint that he gets wrong. The condemnation is correct. Simple as.

You can pretend that, but you know it's not true.

I'm not talking about a policeman, or someone with training and the authority to restrain them. That's a different story.

Just an individual taking it upon himself.

Handy to know. And noted.

Lesmor

@richp007 no pretence about it, my family are not above the law and know whats right and wrong
Look when I first saw the footage I was appalled as anyone would be
when he got suspended I thought no more than what he deserved
but everyone can put mitigating circumstances as a defence and having read them I understood why he might have acted the way he did
In the light of day he realised it was an overreaction

violence to women doesn't come into it if a woman has a IED do you just let her carry on because she is a woman?

IronGiant

Their private event had been invaded by up to 40 "uniformed" protestors, intent unknown.  He's just an individual with no training that attempted a restraint that he got right, but probably used undue force. ( I can admit this).  I don't think he should be condemned for this.  But he should be told that this is not his job and it's not how he is expected to behave.


Personally:

In an ideal world he should have stood up next to the pillar and blocked her path and attempted to engage her in polite discourse as to whether she had a valid invite.  While hope the woeful security arrangements would click in.

richp007

That's a contradiction in itself

It's clear no common ground can be found in here over this, so I guess we'll all just have to wait and see if the police take matters any further.

Too many "what if's" being used in this scenario now to justify the excessive force.

As I said above, we'll have to wait and see if the police decide to take the matter any further.

IronGiant

I don't think so. He attempted to restrain her and evicted her from the building, that was a success.
In post #3 of this thread I said he was foolish to do so.  And I have re-iterated it since.  It wasn't his job, he made a knee jerk reaction and is suffering the consequences.

IronGiant

Not as many as tap used to justify not touching her in case she had acid

mtenga

I have not read the thread but just wanted to say as a Labour supporter who voted green at the last election I have no problem with what he did. It was a heat of the moment situation and briefly grabbing her neck was OTT but understandable and forgiveable in a fast moving situation.

He should be applauded, not vilified, and forced to apologise for his actions. He acted whilst the sh*t security had done nothing and others just sat. I'd have done pretty much the same and most of my colleagues were leaning the same way today whilst discussing it.

What a dopey world where a protester bent on disruption is seen as a victim when chucked out.

EarthRod

The legal standard is a "reasonable person", not a cowardly snowflake scared of a woman in an evening dress.

Lesmor

She's a woman and he's a man. Speaks for itself.

He physically reacted with anger against a woman, stupid thing to do these days.

He should have done what everybody else was doing...

...Nothing.