Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

mikeybabes2

Have you ever read 'The Crucible' by Arthur Miller.

Enki

No.
There is plenty in our system that could have been implemented, such as Deprivation of Liberty ( 2005 Mental Health Act) . instead we get some cosy conclusion he was unfit!

Steve N

I'm only surprised that he really was ill

tapzilla2k

I believe Janner's alleged victims only had until a certain point this year in which to lodge civil claims according to the law. The trial by the facts process was being dragged out for too long.

She's made some rather big mistakes with other decisions during her time in the job, Janner was just another one all be it with a much bigger profile.
There were legitimate questions to ask about Janner, the fact he'd voted in the Lords 200 times or whatever it was while suffering with dementia, moving his assets to his children and so on.

It should have been decided in the courts, there are legal processes in place to determine if a defendant is capable of standing trial. She could have avoided the entire mess by going down that route. And it's fairly clear that there was enough evidence to investigate Janner in the 90's. Same pattern as with Cyril Smith and Jimmy Savile. Multiple chances to investigate and prosecute but not taken. Then they die and escape justice. Leaving a trail of destruction in their wake in the form of the victims who face a lifetime of problems stemming from the abuse.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this whole thing stinks.

As I've said all along we need to let the Police investigate all allegations and follow the evidence wherever it might end up. It may or may not end up in criminal trials but we need to face this problem head on. As it appears we have a Political class that covers up child abuse for political advantage.

thefragile

It seems he would have escaped justice anyway.

Pecker

And yet there was plenty in the medical records (which you haven't seen) to suggest to those who have to make such decisions, that he was extremely unwell and unlikely to live long.

And now he's died.

So who was right?

Steve W

Pecker

People are almost always diagnosed with dementia way, way before they become unfit to work, particularly if they're well of with regular health checks.

It's the most normal thing in the world to (a) sign things over to your kids as soon as possible, and (b) continue working if possible (if you enjoy your job).

He didn't vote after 2013 which is when things apparently got pretty bad.  There's absolutely nothing suspicious or contradictory about being well enough to work in 2013, but incapable of standing trial in 2015.

I'm at a bit of a loss to underatand this.  He's diagnosed with dementia, and you think perhaps it's not an accurate diagnosis.  He then dies of a dementia-related illness.  What about that 'stinks'?  If he'd lived and had photos taken of him sipping cocktails by the pool in Crete, that'd stink.

Steve W

tapzilla2k

I was referring to the fact Janner should have been investigated in the 1990's. Can't go into the details due to Libel Laws as there is a sitting MP who was deeply involved with Janner at the time. Easy enough to figure out who.

From what I remember, Janner had been diagnosed with dementia but still attended the Lords and voted numerous times, he seems to have stopped attending the Lords around the time of the Police first investigating the abuse allegations. I think the Lords need to be given regular medical tests once they reach a certain age to ensure they are capable of voting on primary legislation. Or there needs to be a retirement age. But that's a House of Lords reform issue.  

The issue with Janner is down to Saunders not allowing the Courts to decide if Janner was fit to stand trial or not. That's what caused most of the uproar. Plenty of abusers who suffer with dementia go through that court process and a trial of the facts. Not Politicians it appears.

Sonic67

And yet in 2014 he was well enough to transfer his money.

Lord Janner could face dementia test, child abuse lawyer says

However, any claims they make for compensation face a further obstacle. The peer reportedly transferred ownership of his £2m home to his children in March 2014 – the same month that police raided his Westminster office.

Anything scandalous there?

Also, "He didn't vote after 2013 which is when things apparently got pretty bad." Well that's true.

Lord Janner voted 203 times in Parliament despite ‘dementia’ | ExaroNews

Hi votes stopped the month before his house was raided by the police.

Pecker

Trust me, he's absolutely definitely dead, and he wasn't knocked over by a bus.

And I see absolutely nothing suspicious at all about someone with dementia signing over their property to others before they are unable to control it themselves, possibly leaving it in limbo for years.  In fact it's extremely common.

Steve W