Grenfell Tower Culpability Thread.

EarthRod

Bloody hell - Theresa May is not the only one who has lost the plot.

Sonic67

You could sign the petition.

UK Parliament: The Government should seize the property of wealthy home owners to help victims.

Cliff

It's a sad state of affairs that the public are being told by both political sides that their side, either Labour or Conservative would have done a better job and prevented this.
I think the truth of the matter is that the people in local government, are constrained by budgets and not up to the job of reviewing building and safety regs properly. The contract was handed out without a proper risk assessment on what could happen if a fire broke out on a lower floor.
The enquiry will also look at fire alarms and other safety measures that were in place that weren't working. There has to be regular maintenance of all these devices to check they are working at all times. Records to show this will be looked at.
It has little to do party politics.

SteakAndCake

If they can't even manage the displacement from a single tower block, imagine how screwed we are once climate change ramps up and we get really bad storms and floods.   We're pretty much on our own.   Do we even have a civil defence system any more?

tapzilla2k

She's done the bare minimum, as for meeting the emergency services for what they need ? Likely already briefed through the usual channels official or otherwise. Inquests should take place before any public inquiry. And those effected by the fire should be given legal aid without question.

This is a disaster not a normal event, at the very least you'd expect a PM to meet with the people directly impacted by the fire to find out what they experienced and see what they need. As for Security concerns ? The Queen and Prince William rocked up earlier with minimal security in tow.

This is more of the same from May, carefully controlled visits and hiding from the public.
As for Corbyn ? It's what he's been doing for 40 odd years, taking up a cause and listening to people. You can spin it to fit your dislike of the man if you so wish. We live in a democracy after all.

The last 7 years of Tory Policies will be called into question by this disaster and yes that makes it political. If you listen to the local residents they have already started asking difficult questions. The anger could boil over if this isn't handled with care and precision so we get to the truth as quickly as is feasible.

SteakAndCake

Both Cameron and Boris have made a point on record of poo-pooing health and safety culture and regulations and their desire to dismantle it.  The removal of the state from public life is an ideological cause for the Tories.  The end result of such ideology is low taxes but in exchange we must live with disasters like this.   The debate now is: is it worth it?

Sonic67

Mass migration was from Blair onwards. As a result we have to house people somewhere. If migration was in the tens of thousands we could knock this stuff down. As it is we've struggled to house everyone for years.

What do you think we should do?

Do something about immigration? Concrete over everywhere? More and more tower blocks?

Housing raid finds 26 people living in three-bedroom east London home

Housing enforcement officers have discovered 26 people living in a three-bedroom family home in east London in what authorities are calling one the most extreme examples of illegal overcrowding uncovered in recent years.

The home, which was officially licensed for a family unit of up to seven people, was found to house 25 adults and a child, from three or four different families.

At least seven tenants were found to be living in the cellar of the property, which was accessible only via steep concrete steps from the back garden. The cellar was windowless, had its ventilation duct taped over and the internal door to the house was locked.

As well as overcrowding, officials are also investigating a series of building and electrical hazards, a broken toilet and broken furniture, as well as several breaches of licensing conditions.

Illegal overcrowding is a growing problem in the capital, fuelled by a shortage of affordable housing, high rents, migration and spiralling house prices.

“What I put it down to is London rents are so off the scale that people will live anywhere just to be able to afford to stay here. They might typically pay rent of just £200 a month. But the fact there are 15 of them in the house means the landlord is coining it.

“Last year we prosecuted a landlord who had 47 people in a property meant to house nine.”

London's housing crisis: Five controversial solutions - BBC News

Licensing raids reveal overcrowded homes and bed bugs - BBC News

Council officers have been enforcing licensing rules which aim to curb the number of overcrowded houses where landlords have split homes aimed at one family into flats for many more people.

                               
Army has been roped in to fill sandbags etc. The Times had rumours of further cuts to numbers.

silent ninja

May is going to visit victims in hospital. A good u turn but now it feels disingenuous. I'm gobsmacked that the leader of this country, regardless of party politics, has made such another big error in judgement. Can you trust her judgement? She's a seasoned professional but the last few weeks have shown glaring gaps in her ability to lead.

SteakAndCake

If you'd heard she wasn't visiting people and then boom, Maybot at the end of your bed, you'd be convinced you were about to die or something.

Sonic67

Public enquiry's are expensive. Might also figure out the cause actually was. Ok she could have turned up for some abuse or handed out cups of tea and blankets but what exactly do you want? Some playing up for the cameras?
Likely but not as good. Don't underestimate it. I remember one lad talking direct to Gordon Brown.

Gordon Brown ambushed by soldier over tax

1. By the time it gets to the top and has been filtered and watered down and passed on via yes men it might not be the same thing.

2. It's a direct short cut. Those who are in the frontline talking direct to the one person who can make it happen. You get people who are jobsworths, "stores are for storing" etc. When something has come direct from the PM, along the lines of "make it happen" it happens. That's it. It happens.

3. Let's face it, whatever she does, you'd be giving her grief.

Any evidence none of this isn't going to happen?
So to get this straight, there's no need talking to the emergency services to see what they need, as it can be done by briefings, but you do need to talk to people to see what they need? Why not the same argument?
Probably the best people to do this kind of thing.
No problem. He's like anyone else on the left. Still following student politics and spent his life blaming everything on the toorrreeesss.
Please remind Corbyn who thinks he's won and Theresa is "squatting in Downing Street," John McDonnell, and numerous others who are busy protesting over the result of the election.
And the Tory policies were a result of Labour going out of power and leaving a note saying there was no money left. These cuts aren't done for fun. While I've been typing this I believe it went up by another £200k.

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