Second Referendum, looked at from the day after

blackrod

And ignoring the result of one of the biggest UK votes ever doesn't show any respect as well.

I sort of went with the whole, "This is you decision, the government will enact what you decide." Sent to everyone.

And "It's a referendum not a neverendum."

And everything else that was used to bring home that it was an important decision and not to take it lightly.

I sort of thought that if we can have more votes straight after people will then vote one way, "just to try it," knowing that there will be a follow on vote. So just using a vote to "send a message."

Why bother investigating the implications of your vote? Just vote how you like and then do it properly next time.

So undervaluing the importance of making a considered vote is a big thing to me.

Also odd that everyone who wants a vote now was rather quiet over Maastricht, the Lisbon Treaty and everything else that has happened when the common market we joined became the EU. No calls for a referendum then but suddenly everyone wants a losers vote once they've lost one.

Also I'm not against another vote. I'm in favour of more. We voted to leave so we leave, and then have another in ten years once we've seen what the result is.

And why are you stopping at a second referendum? Frankly only having two is not respectful. How about a third three years after? And a fourth after that?

After all the British electorate could have changed their minds. Or not going to allow that?

For someone who is against referenda you effectively wanted the Queen to have a long series of referenda on her.

First time she lost a vote she was out for ever and we'd be a republic:

                                                                       

Rasczak

The flip side though Sonic is that the promised land of the leave campaign was at best optimistic (and that is pushing it!) and at worst downright dishonest.
Secondly, the outcome of leaving is permanent in that if we choose to rejoin in the future we won't have anywhere near the great deal we have now.

Sonic67

That post is over a decade old.
Royal Family. So you think your 66p is well spent?

Rasczak

It was in response to "I've never agreed with referenda." It seems closer to "I've not agreed with some referenda and when it didn't go the right way."

Sonic67

If the best you can find is over 10 years old, you don't really have a case.  Most normal people adapt their views as time, age and experience take effect.

Sonic67

And the Remain campaign was pessimistic (and that is pushing it!) and at worst downright dishonest.

We were threatened with everything from WW3 to punishment budgets, mass unemployment, pensions raids and recession, all from just voting to leave.

None of that happend. In fact Germany is going down the toilet,

Germany's economy: Should we be worried?

while the UK economy is growing faster than expected.

UK economy grows faster than expected
Secondly, no the outcome of leaving isn't permanent. We are a major economy and one of the few contributors to the EU. We get "a great deal" because we pay billions for it. There's no reason why we couldn't pay in billions for "a great deal" again.

There's also no guarantee that if the vote was to remain our rebates etc would remain. They have been taken away before. The EU's goal is for "ever closer union." You won't achieve that with a country not joining in. Given time all those differences would go as we all "harmonise."

Blair clinches deal with offer of big rebate cut

Tony Blair last night brokered an agreement on the EU budget which will see Britain give up £7bn of the rebate negotiated by Margaret Thatcher more than 20 years ago as part of a broad deal to pay the bill for Europe's enlargement to the east.

Another raid:

UK anger at £1.7bn EU cash demand

And interesting. Being a full member of the EU, having the Euro and everything else isn't something you'd want? Pecker was earlier making the case that all Remainers were with one voice. And why wouldn't you want to be a full member? Why do you want to opt out of many things the EU wants?

Pacifico

And I have no problem with that. One post can explain how you feel now compared with then.

For instance in Nov 2016 you were still against the EU army and saying we should have stayed in to try and stop it. That's not long ago and I'm still waiting on you to say if your view has changed.

Pecker

Odd comment. If you are in favor of the European Project (ever closer union) then why wouldn't you be in favor of completely buying into the whole shebang?

If all you want is to cherry pick parts of the project that isnt any different to what we are being offered now.

blackrod

I'm not ignoring it.

If I were ignoring it I'd just say revoke Article 50.

By definition, a second referendum acknowledges the first vote.

It's just that it also acknowledges that people may have changed their minds.

So let's go again.  Why are you ignoring that possibility?

domtheone

I never said I was in favour of ever closer union. I am at present in favour of remaining in the EU because leaving without a plan is utterly foolish.  I have no problem however with our rebate to be phased out over time providing it is linked to a reduction in CAP.  I know the EU isn't perfect but this whole Brexit shambles is just a disaster. I find it extraordinary people still want to just leave with no deal and think all will be fine.