Another monstrous beheading by ISIS

robel

Sorry I did not see your edited post.

Of course not.

But even Al Jazeera claim "some of those crossing are Syrian civilians caught in the crossfire. But more often than not, they receive rebel and government fighters unable to find substantial care on their side of the frontier."

Some wounded Syrians seek treatment from Israeli hospitals | Al Jazeera America

So, they are treating any and all injured regardless of the side they are aligned to.

What would be your suggestion?

TranceFan

Men of fighting age should be detained for questioning, rather than helped back to Syria to fight another day. One of them could be Jihadi John.

robel

'Deadly fire' at Iran military explosives facility

BBC News - 'Deadly fire' at Iran military explosives facility

lucasisking

I was actually starting to warm to Batfleck after his really-quite-good Argo, but my god did he come across as a red-faced, uncomprehending tool in that interview.  Especially the way he spoke to the infinately calm and logical Sam Harris.  

Affleck all but accused Harris of attacking muslims, immediately after Sam had gone to pains to clearly explain that he wasn't doing.

Prick.

pragmatic

This is were we in the UK were only a few yeas ago, any attempt to debate that a minorities culture may be incompatible with the one the west have converged on over the last 2 hundred years, one of universal suffrage, from that stems equality for race, age, gender, sexual orientation and tolerance of and free freedom of and from religion (excepting stupid things like Sunday trading).  
What we've not talked about is tolerance of cultures that don't agree with these, those that believe that gays need to be converted or exiled or killed, those that leave a religion should be murdered and those that are not a member of a religion are inferior.  Ones that see women as not equal but as property, to go out when they say or not at all, to wear cloths that make them anonymous to hide not only their selves but any impact of home life from the outside world, FGM, forced marriages, honor killings ...

Any attempt to discuss these backwards ways that for the latter feminists would rightly kick off if any of them (or things much less offensive) were instigated by the cozy/easy to denigrate western loosely christian based culture instead faces a torrent of self censorship, followed by the race card and terms like islamaphobia, we see a tactic of playing the victim when being the perpetrator as so aptly performed by passive aggressive and their battered wives.  The argument that you can't criticize our actions, by doing so you are picking on me, if we want to force our women to wear big black sheets, or marry someone of our choosing back home or have schools that teach intolerance funded from the secular government or even groom little girls in the local community then that's our business, keep your nose out, racist.

Lets call a spade a spade when we see it, lets not tar people with the same brush, but lets feel free to stand up to cultural injustice.  So far liberalism, feminism etc have successful attacked one culture (the general western one), they seem to lack the will to attack other cultures which are far more in need of their ideological intervention.

robel

Apparently the government gagged the family from talking about the situation for nine months...

BBC News - Alan Henning murder: Aid worker's brother calls for 'troops on ground'

lucasisking

Yes and that clip of Ben Attitude crystalizes the point.  Invite someone to even consider the possibility that Islam might be ideologically flawed, or that it might be even partially to blame for Islamic terrorism, and the conversation is instantly shut down.  It doesn't matter how calm, sober and rational that critique is (Sam Harris is the embodiment of placidity and intellectual honesty), it instantly brings out a rabid response. The conversations always follow a similar pattern too.  The 'its just a tiny minority' sound-bite comes out; then comes the 'our behaviour in the west is worse'; then it's time to wheel out the 'Islamophobia' accusation; and if anyone is still talking after that, out comes the 'racism' trump card.

No criticism, no dissent.  Exactly how the Islamists want it.

It's not just pathetic misrepresentation of the opposing position, it's dangerously negligent in my opinion not to be discussing this as widely as possible.

krish

Agree completely. The Guardian have predictably jumped on the anti-Maher bandwagon, but logic and intelligence tends to prevail in the comments.
Ben Affleck: Sam Harris and Bill Maher 'gross' and 'racist' in views of Islam | Film | theguardian.comBill Maher on Islam: a history of the HBO host's 'not bigoted' remarks | Television & radio | theguardian.com

TranceFan

Well looks like US vice president Joe Biden is in trouble:
» Joe Biden Grovels Before Qatari Prince for Daring to Speak Half Truth About ISIS

TranceFan

Probably because that bit is true. How easy we in the west forget the appalling crimes and interventions which we have done in the middle east. And those interventions go back since the artificial creation of Iraq, based on Westerners thinking they can draw up boundaries on behalf of the savages. People like Bill Maher don't acknowledge this role. Overthrowing democracy and installing mass murderers like in Iran (and in doing so radicalising thousands), helping dictators to power like Saddam, selling weapns to both sides during the Iran / Iraq war, supporting terrorist groups that kill many of the indigenous population, selling arms to dictatorships to repress their own people, not to mention the Iraq war in which a million died. All has the effect of radicalising moderates.

Killing people in drone attacks (50 civilians killed per terrorist), using daisy cutter bombs in illegal wars is no better than beheadings. Terrorism isn't born in a vacuum. Look at the radicalising effect killing a few hostages and 7/7 had against Islam on this country.

Imagine if WE had been invaded based on a false pretext by Islamists and instead of a few score being killed it was hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens? Can you imagine what effect that would have in radicalising us? The Iraq war acted as a recruiting sergeant for terrorism according to previous head of mi6. And of course those that were the architects of the war have escaped justice. If they had been brought to justice, perhaps things would be different and we would be perceived differently. We need to take responsibility for past mistakes and stop intervening in other countries and stop pandering and selling arms to the dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who play their part in radicalising their youth as well as funding and arming terrorists.