Brexit in a nutshell

SteakAndCake

Maybe off sick because staff are paid in full whether they're at work or not.

There isn't a shortage.
1. Staff sickness is rewarded with full pay.
2. Changes to training, degree level, has slowed down the throughput of trainees. Degree level training was not necessary. All that has happened is levels of pomposity have shot thru the roof, making cooperation between staff and departments impossible.
4. The NHS like all socialist organisations is top down hierarchy, decision making process is slow and often unrelated to what teams need.

Nurses complaining, what's new.
Ex was a director of clinical services, so I know a little bit about the NHS and private hospitals work.

gamerste

Spoken like someone who ignores those on the front line, maybe that’s why she’s your ex?

The NHS isn’t the only employer who pays wages whilst people are ill.  Have you considered that many of those people getting ill aren’t just doing it for a skive?  

Why do you think degree level training isn’t required? According to previous posts, the current training courses are oversubscribed, suggesting that there are more than enough people who want to go into the vocation so it’s obviously not putting them off.

EarthRod

Nursing became a degree only course in 2009 so from 2013 onwards all qualified nurses are trained at degree level.
Clinical services, so came from the private sector then ?
And not a trained health professional?
Lots of employees also get full sick pay regardless of where they work.
To say there isn't a staff shortage in the NHS is ludicrous.
I mean who wants to study as a nurse these days with a starting salary of 23k and student debt of 30-40k
Don't see nurses complaining to much, lots of NHS users are complaining because they can see with their own eyes when they use the service that it's massively short staffed.
It's the best health care system in the world for the money and it's brilliant.
I just wish it was funded correctly.

Ruperts slippers

NHS is one of, if not the most efficient health care systems in the world.  Bang for buck is exceptional but it IS underfunded, and people are suffering for it.  

There's no more slack or fat left to cut.  Continued under-funding will now harm patient outcomes, simple as that.

Pacifico

I know I've worked in it for the last 22 years

gamerste

Bearing in mind the EU is a bureaucratic organisation and the UK is a country in Europe; like France, Germany, Italy etc are also countries in Europe.

gamerste

What has that got to do with anything at all. Go quote from a newspaper.

Nope, NHS to private sector, back to the NHS. Worked her way up from band 5 to mid band 8.

NHS users complain because staff are rude, attitude problems and some are downright incompetent, with no recourse to retrain or discipline. The other problem is staff have very little experience of other industries. My background is construction, comparatively much more technical and strenuous work, however sickness is 3 times lower.

As for the pay, that's a good starting salary and with on call payments, overtime, training, pension, uniform, social life, increments. Don't kid yourself, it's a good job. When I met my ex wife she was on £40000 plus for less that 5 days work as a band 5..
Nhs staff are deluded.

Pacifico

How much more money needs to be spent considering that the NHS budget doubled in real terms from 2000 to 2016 and rose from 4.9% GDP to 7.3%