Sonic67 Publish time 26-11-2019 03:10:58

A Dead Statesman - Rudyard Kipling

I could not dig: I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?

raduv1 Publish time 26-11-2019 03:10:58

Very poweful and poignant that sums up the 2.6 millions words of the report for one person. Thanks.

Sonic67 Publish time 26-11-2019 03:10:58

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IronGiant Publish time 26-11-2019 03:10:58

I don't find that at all funny, sorry data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

Trollslayer Publish time 26-11-2019 03:10:58

The second line is the important one - we are part of the problem.

Trollslayer Publish time 26-11-2019 03:10:59

IG - I don't think that was meant to be funny.

krish Publish time 26-11-2019 03:10:59

Prescott turns on his former boss ...
Guilt at the 'illegal' Iraq War will haunt Prescott for the rest of his lifemeanwhile ...
Tony Blair could face contempt of parliament motion over Iraq war

Cliff Publish time 26-11-2019 03:10:59

For Two Jags to pipe up now is just not right, to say the least. He was deputy Prime Minister so in my book, was with Blair on this one.
Is he apologising with hindsight? If so that's OK, but not really the issue, as no one can see into the future. Or is he apologising for misleading the country along with his boss?

Alternatively, he could be distancing himself from Blair, and making out Blair alone was responsible. That just doesn't fly. The Government of the time were responsible. If he didn't like the decision then, like Robin Cook, you say so.

fluxo Publish time 26-11-2019 03:11:00

There are some interesting poll results on the YouGov site, from which:

"But more than 10 years of opposition is a long time, and many people now remember things differently. Now only 37% of the public say they believed military action against Saddam Hussein was right at the time, instead of the 54% recorded at the time."

                                                                                                                                        /proxy.php?image=https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ierqq2tvz1xlye/File%2010-07-2016%2C%2016%2048%2057.jpeg?dl=1&hash=64993044e13b4750e2030e80b2518fce       

Source: YouGov |Memories of Iraq: did we ever support the war?

Obviously, you have to be very careful about these polls, but does that suggest some sort of false memory effect? I.e., some people constructing in their heads a belief they had opposed the war all along, when that is not true.

There are memories of wars and then there are memory wars:

Memory Wars | News from both sides of the fight

Trollslayer Publish time 26-11-2019 03:11:01

I thought it was wrong at the time, the 'evidence' for WMDs was a mixture of fantasy and outright lies.
"Oh yes, we have definite proof, we can see some WMDs by satellite". Inspectors get thereand there is no trace. Of course, there was no further surveillance by aircraft to keep track.
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