Goooner Publish time 25-11-2019 22:17:59

Says you.You can always find polls that match whatever you want.

As I’ve mentioned before, if YOU and all of the other “no deal Brexiteers” really believe this to be true of the country as a whole, you’ve be pushing for a second vote for “Mays deal vs no deal” because “far more likely “ would mean you could definitely avoid Mays deal.

Cliff Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:00

Its definitely possible, but very unlikely.

The EU have already given indications an extension is likely to be granted.

Angela Merkel 'said it would be easy to get EU to extend article 50'

Rasczak Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:01

I didn't say it was likely, I was just replying to Rasczak's statement that he couldn't believe anyone really thinks it's possible, when of course it is still possible.

Depends what concessions some of the members might ask for to agree, I suppose. It only takes one to oppose it, no matter what Merkel might say. Again, I'm not saying it's particularly likely, but it's entirely possible.

Even May might decide whatever they want in return is too much. Now that's more of an impossibility data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

I'm sure she'd happily go along with whatever concessions they require, it's what she's been doing all along, so why change now?

So assuming the vote is rejected and the EU agree to an extension, does that automatically happen, or does it have to be agreed by parliament?

richp007 Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:01

In your first paragraph:
1) Our government is in Parliament? Why try to be clever?
2)"the binary choice". So you have decided its only down to too choices now?There are other, albeit, less likely outcomes.

It is also very telling that many remainers appear to accept the May EU agreement. Could it be that it because it has all the hallmarks of being under the EU?
I would say its probably worse that being in the EU!

Cliff Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:02

Taking these points in reverse order - if May's deal is rejected then all options are on the table. But that wasn't the question I put to the forum - which was to see how people thought Parliament should vote at Meaningful Vote 3 namely:
- Approve the deal - in which case we leave the EU in short order under those terms (or as modified by amendments)
- Reject the deal - in which case the Government will delay departure and choose a different route (with all options open)

...which hopefully answers your first point as to why I made the distinction.

Both of those are fair points. I think May's deal keeps us closely aligned which enhances our future options. And it is undoubtedly worse than staying in the EU - but that's a given however we exit the EU. But May's deal gets us out in short order and that is perhaps the priority for a Brexit-weary nation.

Rasczak Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:03

PM spokesman confirms -

- No plan for meaningful vote tomorrow at the mo
- Talks w/DUP have to conclude well to bring it back
- If no resolution by Tuesday eve (last chance to table vote is night before) PM will go to Brussels and ask for long Article 50 extension on Thurs.

The long joke continues. Nation's held to ransom by the DUP.

Edit: Also rumblings that Bercow will intervene if she doesn't go ahead with the vote tomorrow.

I bloody hope so.

Greg Hook Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:04

So in fact the poll should have been a straight: Do you accept Mays deal or not?

From the BBC this morning.
Jeremy Hunt said yesterday, " another vote would only be held before Thursday's EU summit if ministers were "confident" of victory."
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Passing Brexit deal needs 'a lot more work'

richp007 Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:06

This section has lost the plot I'm afraid.

Don't worry though, the MarchToLeave is still going beautifully data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

Pacifico Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:07

I'm open to a vote on Mays deal vs no-deal - but we all know that wouldn't be acceptable to remainers. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

I dont think another wasted year in limbo while you organize it though is a good idea.

Pacifico Publish time 25-11-2019 22:18:08

I'm coming to the conclusion that it might be worth support My Corbyns call for another election - at least it will get rid of Mrs May.
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