Doghouse Riley Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:20

I think that most youngerremainers areof that opinionas they just don't want the slightest inconvenience ifwe leave. They've never beem "inconvenienced" in their whole lives and wouldn't be able to handle it,as did most of my generation.

What they fail to understand is that to stay would inevitablymean the same situation that the Labour government caused in the early sixties by making many grammar schools become comprehensives.
This happened to my school after I had left. Instead of a general raising of educational standards, it just dragged the more able down to a lower level. The comments of those whoexperienced the change at my school on the old Friends Reunitedmessageboard are testimomy to that fact.
Those running the EU won't be satisfied until all the better off countries are dragged down to the same lower economic level. We'll forever be picking up the tab with a consequent lowering of our standard of living.

Hampy1972 Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:21

Someone somewhere will moan. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7
Here we go again.

GadgetObsessed Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:22

I always assumed that a United Ireland was inevitable and would occur in the next 10 to 20 years.

As I understand it the Good Friday Agreement enshrines the principle that whether NI remains part of the UK or unites with Ireland will depend upon the wishes of the majority of the population.

There are currently more Protestants than Catholics in NI. The last census in 2011 put the Protestant population at 48%, 3% more than Catholics at 45%.However, the proportion of Catholics in NI has been steadily increasing. Young Catholics outnumber Protestants by around 3:2 - of those of school age in NI, 51% are Catholic and only 37% Protestant. So there is a demographic shift toward a significant Catholic majority. Obviously, being Catholic in NI does not necessarily align with being in favor of a United Ireland but it may be a strong indicator.

If the majority of NI do vote to leave the UK then that should not be regarded as a negative event. The majority should always decide. (Except in the case of Brexit. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7 Did I mention that I'm a remainer?)

Clem_Dye Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:23

I think that we’ve had Brexit — it’s unlikely to happen. MPs who agreed to honour the results of the referendum are realising that for the first time in a very long time, they’ll actually have to do something, rather than have the EU do it for them, and it scares them. MPs have always been a duplicitous lot, but recent events show that they cannot be trusted at all. I have no idea who’d vote for in any forthcoming election. The Conservatives have made a complete hash of things, the LibDems want to revoke Article 50, any Labour government will ruin the country and the Brexit party is a one-trick pony.

What I don’t get was why, once the vote was in, the Conservatives didn’t take a multi party approach to getting things sorted. Teresa May’s deal would have the UK become a vassal state of the EU. Looking at things overall, I’m not too fussed about NI per se. What I think aren’t up for grabs are the surrender of our fishing rights, management of immigration (both from within and without the EU) and letting the ECJ have any sway in our legal process.

Boris Johnson is an utter clown, and has no chance of getting anything done. Parliament has seen to that. The EU don’t want to negotiate. Why would they? They have us exactly where they want us.

What remainers don’t realise is that if they get their way, and by some means we end-up staying part of the EU, we as a country will be punished for having tried to leave the bloc.

The Mother of All Parliaments is a farce, just like the UK is. I’d emigrate, if I could, but I’m too old now. Oh what it is to be British in 2019 ...

Clem

Dony Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:23

That could be beyond my lifetime (almost 50 now), but the process has been brought into today's thinking due to Brexit.
There needs to be a lot of serious dialogue with all concerned to see how a United Ireland will work for everyone on the island of Ireland. As you say, not all Catholics will vote for it, but not all Protestants will vote against it either. 56% voted here to remain, so it certainly wasn't an us v them result that you normally get in N.I politics.

trevor432990 Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:24

Voted Leave and remain a leaver ..... oh darn it I mentioned remain grrrr!   
The only way a clean Brexit will be delivered is a) If the Brexit party manage to win a majority of seats (tall order considering they have no MPs yet)or b) the local Tory party committees ALL oust their Remain voting MPs where they voted contrary to their local constituents, before the next general election (even taller order) c) the EU kick us out (even less likely as they need our money).
In the meantime I have to look for a new TV to replace the ones I've broken so far watching the likes of Anna Soubrey, Gina Miller, Misc Scottish pipsqueaks telling us we must have a deal.

Doghouse Riley Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:25

I'm glad you asked.

Let's compare with Scotland.

We get less MPs per head in England than in Scotland.

We don't have devolved powers to decide things for ourselves. So for example the SNP can block Sunday trading laws in England despite having the same laws in Scotland.

psikey Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:25

The EU is like a leech, they are difficult to remove without causing some personal injury, but once they are gone it will get better. Much preferable than having your blood sucked dry.

krish Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:26

More like a Tapeworm, buried in real deepdata:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

psikey Publish time 25-11-2019 22:00:26

Similarly, Farage is like a dogsh*t you've just stepped in with brand new shoes.
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