Yet Another Poll (Apologies)

nheather

Also more self-serving political games.

May urged to quit to help deal pass

So we have MPs that won’t vote for the deal because May is Prime Minisiter.  Really, are they that selfish.

I read this as they are happy with the deal, presumably think it is the best option for the country, but won’t vote for it because May is the Prime Minister. Or alternatively they think the deal is bad but will vote for it if May steps down.  Either way it appalls me - absolutely no integrity or regard for the country.

Surely the deal is the deal is the same deal whoever is Prime Minister.

It’s all just power games with the country being used as one of the pawns.

Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him.

Cheers,

Nigel

rustybin

So if you don't get your way you think terrorism is the answer. Interesting.

What we're currently seeing is democracy in action in the country where modern democracy holds its roots, and has arguably been best practised over the last few centuries. It's not pretty, but I promise you all it's better than the alternative.

We'll get an acceptable solution eventually. Or we won't and we'll vote in a Government that will. Or at least they'll try to.

For all those who think what's happened since the vote has been a fix and orchestrated to make Brexit fail - why didn't 'The Establishment' simply fix the vote? No one really thought Brexit would win, so an extremely narrow Remain victory would have been accepted (from a legitimate vote point of view) - so why allow this sideshow to take place?

The fact of the matter is, and I hate to break this to people who are used to getting their political diet from memes and Youtube, Brexit is extremely complicated. Mindblowingly so.

SteakAndCake

Doesn't have my preference.

Voted Remain.  Don't support another vote, believe Parliament should unilaterally cancel Brexit.  Referendum was not legally binding and Parliament are not delegates, they're representatives.  They're not there to do their constituent's bidding, as mere meat proxies; they are there to use their judgement to act and vote in ways that they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and the country.

Sonic67

So "Something else" then.
It is. It was passed into law.
So they should represent what the people voted for.
Exactly.

Toko Black

None of the options account for Leave but ONLY with Deal/No Deal.
How many voting Leave with No Deal would still vote Leave if they lost that option and had to accept the deal ?

Sonic67

But then you wouldn't see if people were happy to leave with no deal.

Toko Black

Bingo !

^ that's the whole point I was trying to make and establish to get a better discussion.
My poll wasn't designed to 'win', it was to try and get some better* information even if that meant it undermined my own political position.

* given the harsh reality of the choices and what we have to face up to in so little time.

Sonic67

Just so I'm clear. If there was another Scottish referendum, the vote is to leave, if MPs think leaving the UK, that has been in a union for hundreds of years is a bad idea, it can just be ignored?

Why have it in the first place?

The same with any manifesto pledge. You can promise whatever you like, get in power, think, you know what, I know we said this, and you voted for it, we don't think it's a good idea, so tough.

In fact why ask the people at all? On anything? They can just do what's best. Oh wait, dictatorships are where those in power do what's best.

springtide

So it seems we are currently at:
- 13 want to leave with no deal
- 12 either want a deal or remain.

rustybin

Now we're on the same page. Why indeed?