Climate change discussion thread

johntheexpat

Dear Old James Delingpole:

Wind turbines – not just hateful but ruddy dangerous too! – Telegraph Blogs

And 24 hours later, Mr Right About Everything is apparently wrong:

Sabotage suspected at toppled wind turbine as second is brought down - Telegraph

EarthRod

Err, but he isn't wrong.

His article was primarily about the fact that wind turbines can be dangerous, and he is right.

Of course other things involved in energy production are dangerous too.

johntheexpat

Oooooh - the answer. It's finance that separates natural global warming from man-made global warming.   (But there is indeed some truth in the jest).

Maybe a touch of politics can be added to the mix or would that be too cynical?

Science has a long way to go before it can 'handle' climatic or weather chaos - something we all need to bare (bear) in mind. Looking into the future is way beyond our primitive means (at present).

McPhee

Climate change means catastrophe in UK, not café culture says professor - Telegraph

sidicks

Does it really matter who is right? Surely the appropriate question is 'what if the scientists in support of MMGW are right and we do nothing?'. Will we wind up regretting not doing something sooner? Where is the disadvantage in dancing to the scientists' tune? It seems to be pushing us towards being more sparing with the world's finite resources, which is surely a good thing?

sidicks

1.  The disadvantage is wasting ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

2. You mean dancing to some scientists' tune and ignoring plenty of other credible scientists with drastically different opinions!


That's a different question entirely.

johntheexpat

So no discernible warming in the last 30 years (despite C02 continuing to increase) then a 5C increase in the next 65 years?!

McPhee

What's laughable is your apparent beleif in your understanding of the science.

sidicks

The two questions are linked, no? Much of the stuff we are doing to 'limit' global warming also has the knock-on effect of reducing our reliance on the Earth's finite resources. Even if MMGW science is flawed, and the world isn't warming (or our activity isn't causing it to warm), the money invested in MMGW science isn't wasted. The scaremongering has spurred the world in to action. On our present course, in 50 years time I don't think we will look back on today with regret. I think we'd only regret it if we did nothing. Whether MMGW is real or not, the hype surrounding it is causing positive change.

johntheexpat

The "Science" !

Seriously, have another