Immigrants go home ...

BISHI

Like I said "As always the truth is hard to find."

Unless the tax revenues from, and welfare payments to immigrants are broken down by country of origin, who knows...
Is that published somewhere?

Not sure I understand why there is a need for it to be balanced though. Do we need lower paid immigrant workers? Or is it just a convenient way for businesses to pay people less knowing full well that, at the moment at least, the government will provide the rest of a decent living wage?

Wouldn't businesses paying a decent wage in the first place be a better 'balance'? So no worker - British or Immigrant - is a burden on the state.

loz

So 50% of tax payers take more out than they pay in.? Do you think all these middle class French are singles or are they more likely to bring their entire family with them - thus making equal if not greater demands on UK public services . It is my opinion that immigration is not the problem it is being made out to be. Furthermore I agree that tax payers should not be subsidising the lower paid to ensure continued corporate profit and that a reasonable minimum wage would be an all round benefit to our country.

BISHI

Again, who knows the truth?

How many middle class French immigrants are sending their kids to private school to get a 'french' education, and/or have private health insurance provided by their employer?

johntheexpat

Employment at an all time high.!
Economy growing at the fastest pace in Europe..!
Yet immigration is an issue..!
How..?

BISHI

from:BBC News - UK migration: What's really happening?

It really wants to make me scream sometimes!


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What is Cameron doing?  EU immigration was 142,000.  Rest of the World 168,000.  Yet he is threatening to go head to head with the EU over it, when the real problem isn't immigration and the free movement of people within Europe, its the immigration from the rest of the World.

Normally the debate about lousy EU immigrants centres around the Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants.
from:Bulgarian and Romanian migration to the UK - ONS

The vast majority of the rest of the EU immigrants to the UK are those who would be/are a positive benefit to the UK economy.  So, the French, German Spanish, Italian job seekers are well qualified and motivated.  The kind of people who definitely add value to an economy. Sick and infirm Europeans don't emigrate to the UK.  Any problems with immigrants putting the "infra-structure" under pressure aren't coming from EU immigrants, the pressure is coming from non-EU immigrants who arrive with nothing and can't be left to die on the streets.

So why on Earth is Cameron getting all feisty with the EU, when the EU is not the problem?  The problem is coming from third world immigrants who come over to Europe because they have nothing to lose.  The problem is coming from relatives, sometimes distant relatives of people who arrive here claiming a blood-relation to a UK citizen.  The problem is coming from desperate people prepared to risk everything to get a chance at a better life.  The problem isn't coming from well educated and highly motivated Europeans.  So why is Cameron taking on Europe, when actually the answer is to join with Europe in working on solutions to curb immigration from the third world?

Why has Cameron opted for a simple and wrong solution, which does nothing but wind up the very people he should be working with?  Why does he think that the British people are too stupid to realise that Europe isn't the problem, but working with Europe is very probably the best and perhaps only answer?

Iain42

There is also an 'integration' argument related to this -
Within a single generation any white european from a Christian/ enlightenment background will be almost entirely integrated into British society. Immigrants from non european ( excluding ex dominion States ) are much less likely to integrate as successfully. The anti islamic attitudes apparent in certain circles and within the media are  testament  to this.
Certain right wing groups should surely be welcoming immigration from more 'integratable' groups rather than making them the subjects of hate.?

loz

Europe is part of the problem, not all of the problem but certainly part of the problem.

How about this for a simple solution?  No immigrant from anywhere gets anything from the public purse until they've contributed for 5 years.  Now if you're worth bringing in and employing, a potential employer will either take care of that, or you'll be earning enough to take out the required insurance policies to cover your health, and you'll be able to pay for your children's education, and everything else.

BISHI

With the numbers you quote it looks like the problem is both - 168,000 is a problem, but 142,000 isn't?  
Surely the problem is 310,000...

loz

Also, the important word is 'net' with regards immigration. How many people have had it with the UK and upped sticks and left and are therefore compounding the figures further. Why are so many people leaving .?

Sonic67

Our son went to live in Malta today, so that is -1