Sailing close to the wind

Toko Black

You know , yup your right .

Sorry I do apologise as it is everyone's right to be ignorant oafs if they so choose to be and express themselves for what they are . As is my right to condemn them for doing so  .

So I guess we will have to disrespect each others opinions on it .

raduv1

That's cool.

I'm not the one calling you an islamophobe or reporting you to the equalities commission.

Sonic67

Tis always a difficult one for me.

In general, I regard any and all inappropriate dress for the culture, climate, situation as silly/stupid.
What I mean by that is:

- choosing to wear items of clothing that are not practical for the climate on a regular/pre-warned basis.
example> wearing deck shoes, jeans and a tracksuit top to go walking in the Cairngorms mid winter.
​- choosing to wear culturally inappropriate clothing after being informed about the possible problems.
example> Going to a Christening in a mankini.
​- choosing to wear situationaly inappropriate clothing.
example> Going shopping in Telford M&S in a mankini.​

There is a subjectively legitamet argument against full face coverings in public where:
- there is no medical need
- no climate/weather need
- no special occassion or appropriate event

....since as a culture and in general, human beings communicate, interact and evaluate each other in a large part using the face.
We recognise and identify each other as well as assess the emotional state of others to determine how we respond to a situation based significantly on the face.
There of are course exceptions, like for example the blind or over the telephone, but that is only because of the limitations of the medium or the individual - artificial limitations can cause distress, fear and anxiety, such as an individual in a bank or shop with their face covered.

However, public figures, politicians and community leaders should definately avoid using pejorative terms and condesention especially when publicaly discussing these issues when it applies to cultural dress.
If you were to wear what passes as normal clothing for the UK in Saudi Arabia, especially in a religious area, it may well be that a public figure wishes to point out that it not appropriate and potentially offencive.
If they were to word that in such a way as to express their point while still remaining tactful, there would generally be no problems.
However, if it was cached in terms of western immoral whores with no shame, then I think we might take some offence.

BobbyMac

Well thanks , but Then again  I'm not the one that is a sitting  UK MP being payed to write  these silly inapropreate analogies in the first place .

EarthRod

Egypt has banned the niqab. Quite a few Muslim countries have banned the burqa. I'm assuming an Islamic country can't be Islamaphobic.

Hijab by country - Wikipedia

He actually wrote this:

Denmark has got it wrong. Yes, the burka is oppressive and ridiculous – but that's still no reason to ban it

He's saying Denmark, it looks ridiculous but don't ban it. Isn't that a fair point?

Blair:

BBC NEWS | Politics | Blair's concerns over face veils

Tony Blair has said the wearing of full face veils by Muslim women is a "mark of separation" and made some "outside the community feel uncomfortable"

Jack Straw, who Boris mentioned in his article:

Jack Straw: 'I felt uneasy talking to someone  I couldn't see'

thegeby

Blair was no socialist either, what did Maggie T say her greatest political achievement was again?

Rocinate

Sailing close to the wind is cool but keep an eye on your luff.

...Otherwise this thread could be dead in the water

weaviemx5

I lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years and never saw a burqah. Abayas yes, but they would leave the face visible. I also remember that burqas and other face covering dress was banned  for people on Haj.

Sonic67

Boris meets Bannon days later some dog whistling. What else was going to happen.

Sonic67

Has May come out to publicly scold him yet, or possibly even sack him?  I assume that if she hasn't then she must be equally Islamaphobic?